You have not even touched how limited iOS is compared to Android. I can list over 50 things any 2015 Android can do which iPhone 16 can't. You basically have no control over anything in iPhone while in any Android even without rooting you control what every app access and how it's allowed to work or at all. I was not even referring to customized OSes like graphene or calyos which give higher level of control.

[–] azalty@jlai.lu 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you still sadly have google services everywhere, popping up here and there, reminding you that they have control over apps

No, I don’t want to login with google or rate the app

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Dont get up from Google only to jump on Apple's balls.
Also your point is not valid because degoogling is possible with androids, but you can't deapple an iphone. And btw many custom OSes dont require anything google no appstore or nothing. So what you're complaining about has been solved and already out there

[–] HornyDolphin@lemy.lol 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Google is an advertisement company where you are the product, not the costumer. Big difference there.

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're the same. Apple just has better marketing.

[–] HornyDolphin@lemy.lol 6 points 2 months ago

Apple's core business isn't selling advertisements.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But when it comes to Apple I'm the customer and not the product?

[–] HornyDolphin@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Well, maybe try to deal with both their customer service :) Google's customer servers is primarily focused on people who buy space to put ads! Not people who buy their phones, hence the "abundance" of Google flagship retail stores. Their customer are businesses, their product is the consumer. I'm not sure how people here keep ignoring that google's core business is online advertisements, not gadgets.

[–] azalty@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

I would not call an OS where you can’t really start any "big" app a success. If you can’t do anything with it, what’s the point?

You can’t really degoogle a phone without sacrificing a lot of things. Most "degoogled" phones just use a compatibility layer that still gives google loads of infos

I would much rather have neither of Apple or google, but having to chose, I prefer Apple, at least they’re not on every website I visit

Btw you can "deapple" by jailbreaking but it becomes a huge pain, as degoogling is

Finding a good phone with good specs, a good OS that is elegant and doesn’t track you at an acceptable price with all the features just isn’t possible

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

And how many of those 50 things actually matter? They’re things you want to do, not things the average user needs to do.

Simplicity is the main feature and has been a staple of Apple products for 35 years I’ve been using them. It means we don’t have to spend ages tweaking settings, we can get on with more productive stuff.