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[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Can you define the "woke movement" and "woke" in general, in the context of what you're saying?

I'm asking because I've seen "woke" used for a video game that happens to have one gay character in it, which doesn't seem relevant for what you're talking about (for example). Or any number of things that are simply people existing. And other times it's used for referencing social justice issues. It seems fairly amorphous, and entirely dependent on the person mentioning it, so without some context I can't nail down what you mean unless you define it for you.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I find that people who use the term woke, are refering to an imagined enemy that they are unable to define very well. It means "Those extremely unreasonable people I am told about that probably exist somewhere.". It's a convenient, etherial enemy to blame problems on.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Admittedly the definition is hard to pin down but clearly the thing exists or the word wouldn't have taken off so quickly.

Roughly, it refers to the worldview in which group power dynamics are all-determining, where race is destiny, where the individual takes a back seat, and where the only possibly solution is some form of reverse discrimination - but even that will never work, really, because injustice is destiny.

It exists, quite few people believe these things, far far more of them hate it, and that's why the peak woke moment seems to have passed. Mercifully.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In the context of my statement, 'woke' refers to an ideology that focuses on social injustice and advocates for change. However, the 'woke movement' as I see it, often includes individuals who blame societal problems on others and demand changes without taking personal responsibility themselves. While Martin Luther King Jr. tirelessly worked to achieve equal rights, many 'woke' individuals today seem more interested in controlling what others do or say while posting worthless hastags instead of actually doing anything.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm a bit more confused, because when you me tion it referring to an ideology that focuses on social injustice and advocates for change, and reference MLK's efforts, it seems like you support the general idea. And I would agree!

I guess I'm just confused on the "personal responsibility" portion. It's my understanding that most of the "woke" issues are gay and trans rights and police reform (and combating systemic racism in policing). So other than demanding change, protesting, and voting, I'm not sure where the "personal responsibility" would come in.