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Online for the most part. Face to face it's much easier to explain my views, as well as to jump in when the other person starts talking and I notice they misunderstood me.
Also, I just went into your comment history and took a quick peek. Your latest "unpopular" opinion seems to be because you disregarded the lives of civilians from the most recent attack by Israel to assassinate Nasrallah. You come across as quite callous trying to justify the murder of hundreds/thousands all to attack one individual. Stuff like that rubs people the wrong way since you seem to display a very morally and ethically wrong opinion when you can't even seem to acknowledge the horrendous loss of life.
I don't think my opinion is wrong in this particular case but I'm open for having it challenged. It's just than when people do it in a hostile way as was the case here, I simply block them and there goes their chance in attempting to change my mind. If someone was willing to actually engage with my argument and ask for clarification if needed, they'd atleast have a chance in attempting to influence my thinking. I don't think I'm right about everything and there's several things I've changed my mind about because of good counter-arguments. I simply just don't engage with people who debate in bad faith.
Except you're the one debating in bad faith. On a post highlighting the obscenely high cost of human life to target a single member by a state known for some of its most horrendous war crimes in modern history, you're just too keen to dismiss it. Remember my comment about people saying things online where as if they said them in person, they would be assaulted and/or socially shunned? You're this person in this case. The person even came back to reply to you why they said the things you did. If you're not capable of this basic level of self reflection, then you really shouldn't make a post like this where you complain about people arguing. I'm bad faith with you.
I'm not arguing in bad faith though. What I say is what I actually believe. The reason for high civilian death count is for the most part explained by the use of human shields. If IDF stops bombing Hamas / Hezbollah members when they're around civilians then that's the only place you'll find them from that on. It's war. If one side plays by the rules and one side doesn't then it's them whose going to win.
Same logic applies when kidnappers demand ransoms; if you pay them you're just encouraging more kidnappings.
That's really not an excuse. I don't know what else to say to make you understand that you should appreciate and at least acknowledge the insanely high loss of human life. Especially when it's done by a genocidal colonial country known for inflicting civilian casualties with little to no justification. You seem to fail to understand the context of the situation, such as how the areas came to be so densely populated by colonial settlement of Israel, or how this was a conflict entirely escalated by Israel themselves. The fact that you actually genuinely believe these things makes it even more concerning since you seem to accept any number of human life as an acceptable loss to assassinate someone. I've debated on this topic before many times here on Lemmy. If I was the one you were debating I would not take your arguments in good faith either.
I don't think it's a good option but I believe it's the better one on a long term.
Do yoi disagree with the comparison to paying ransoms to kidnappers too?
I give you a situation where a genocidal maniac attacks a foreign country entirely unprovoked and inflicts thousands of deaths to kill a single person and you think it's the best long term option? Would you feel comfortable going to Lebanon right and now and preaching this point?
The point about paying ransoms?
The question is not relevant since money does not replace human lives.
No. How is the threat of violence supposed to prove I'm wrong?
That's not a threat. It's a question. You seem to be able to justify those actions so easily. Are you actually able to justify those actions to the victims? Are you actually able to look them in the eyes as their neighbors attack them unprovoked and without consequence and say this is good for the long term?
Personally, I wouldn't consider online debates as debating a person. The reason being is you have no idea the person you're having this conversation with is a 12 year old with too much time on their hands or a 30 year old working at a troll farm. Even if they were a genuine person you're debating with, sites like Lemmy enable assholes to actually be assholes. They can say things here that would have them socially shunned or even assaulted in real life with virtually no consequence. I've had debates with individuals on this site that I actually liked, but more often than not, I was just debating assholes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're actually interested in discussing topics, try doing it with people in your life instead of online. Doesn't have to be a debate even. You can just ask how they feel about a certain topic and talk about it together. Doscussing/debating online isn't a bad thing. Just be prepared for more assholes given the medium.
Finding people interested in talking about the topics I'm actually interested is really, really hard in real life. Obviously I'd prefer it that way too but easier said than done. I do have good conversations and debates with people online too but I just need to go thru quite the few assholes before finding one that's actually doing it in good faith.