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„Sorry guys, we need to temporarily suspend Geneva convention and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union”.
Those guys were hailed as ones to bring democracy and rule of law after PiS ran it into the ground. They were called „centre-left” by almost all western media. Ahahahaha.
It's not a Geneva Convention. Separate treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
I think that there's some clause that permits non-use of the treaty. I was reading that treaty text back during the European migrant crisis a bunch.
kagis
https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/3b66c2aa10.pdf
Yeah, Article 9:
But that's supposed to be specific to people on a case-bye-case basis person, not a general suspension. Hmm.
The EU's Schengen Treaty has a clause that permits temporary general suspension of the Schengen Area freedom of movement, and a bunch of EU members used that, but I don't think that there is an analog to that in the Refugee Convention.
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WP does say that there aren't really any consequences to violating the treaty, and that countries have done so in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
The EU apparently mandates member state conformance in this treaty. However, given the unpopularity of refugee immigration and the negative political consequences for political parties, I'm not sure how much practical ability Brussels has to impose penalties on member states. Like, we already had the attempt to invoke Article 9 (different article 9 from the one above, the one to strip European Union members of their political powers) during the European migrant crisis.
EDIT: Oh, I bet I know what Poland is gonna do. They're not gonna actually suspend the treaty, whatever they're calling it. They aren't gonna use Article 9 (of the Refugee Treaty). They're gonna use Article 31.
This already came up before during the European migrant crisis. If someone comes to your country but not directly, then you're free to penalize them for illegal entry. Basically, no refugees are coming directly to Poland. The EU tried plugging this hole with the Dublin Regulation. It didn't work all that well.
EDIT2: Apparently in 2026, the Dublin Regulation is supposed to be replaced with this. Could alter the picture legally. Dunno if it has any mechanism for suspension, as the Schengen Treaty did, or not.
EDIT3: Ah. You can buy your way out of conformance, for one, under the 2026 replacement:
Yeah, most international treaties on human rights are toothless because there is no mechanism for enforcing them. There will be no penalties from Brussels because EPP rules EU and KO (main ruling coalition party) is part of EPP, simple as that.
Wait, isn't that exactly why laws are enforced by courts and not parliaments?
Yes and no. As an example, there’s an EU court ordering Poland to legalise same-sex marriage yet the centre-left government can’t even get it through the lower house of the parliament. Court can’t do much other than set some administrative fees that are so low you can ignore them. There could be some pressure applied by cutting EU funds etc but somehow it doesn’t happen to Poland. Curious, no?
Yeah, my country (czechia) is buying its way out and i think quite a few other CEE countries are as well.