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At the moment, I'm ashamed, sad, and gloomy about the future. Its a proven fact that Putin is in control of this party. Which is why this party wants to stop sending f16's to Ukraine.
This is bad. Very very bad.
Could you come to me and make sense of Putin controlling the party and at the same time being staunchly pro Israel and issuing things like this:
Seriously, discourse here is absolutely broken.
https://www.ftm.nl/artikelen/de-banden-tussen-pvv-en-rusland-zijn-sterker-dan-gedacht?share=jXg8i%2B9UNApM%2BP1flD9ygNqq8TmbUqQcf6JZ59RWUb1I7VCcyj%2FRUA3KAzQBbWM%3D%26utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebuttonleden&utm_source=linkbutton
A Kreml connected agency inviting individuals to speeches etc. might prove that Russia tries to exert influence. The PVV's actual party line is still grossly at odds with Russian policy. But sure, that’s part of the Deep Kremlin's smokescreen …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/geert-wilders-profile-netherlands-elections-far-right
Wilders is a fascist. He probably lies a dozen times between waking up and his first coffee.
Looking at his actions it is clear, that he changed rhetoric on the current sentiment to get elected, but he aims to undermine Ukraine support.
Lots of mind-reading there.
Sure, but ties with Russia is not BS and not a "broke discourse", there definitely is something there. And we need more discourse about it.
You said it was a "proven fact" that Putin controls PVV.
It IS! But for some people it's too much to allow that into their minds. So I try a different tactic: a little slower, so you can also get onboard with this.
What's known is that certain members of the PVV have dealings with an intransparent Russian agency. How you come from this to
is beyond my comprehension.
Ok, listen can we at least agree that PVV is not "clean" when it comes to Putin? And that they are very much anti "helping Ukraine" ?