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you clearly haven't been keeping up with anthropology in the last 20 years. i recommend reading Debt: The First 5,000 Years. i also suggest pirating it if you can: the author is dead. he won't mind.
You think that governments didn't exist thousands of years ago? Governments predate debt and money, by a long shot because guess what, ever since we've been tribes we've had governments. A tribe is a government.
can you cite a source for any of your claims?
That tribes have governments? Yes, it's called tribal governance. Literally any power structure dictating the lives of a group of people is their government.
I asked for a source. not more rhetoric.
Here you go, government evolved with agriculture, and predates currency:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/government
Also your book doesn't say currency predates government.
do you know how I know you didn't read David graber's book?
Do you know how I know you didn't?
knowledge, being defined as a justified true belief, cannot be what you have about my state of having read that book. you have no justification for any belief about it because you haven't read it. further you certainly can't know that I haven't unless that were true.
Well if you read it you failed to understand it, because it clearly discusses barter systems relating to debt, not currency.
debt is a currency.
Nope, not the same thing.
stay in school.
Go to school.
How you've deluded yourself into thinking bartering and money are the same thing is beyond me.
If I pay off my debt to a friend with a bottle of whiskey, is whiskey now money?
No, it's called bartering, and it's an entirely different concept.
you didn't even bother to read your own source. it clearly says that the earliest humans didn't need government.
They also didn't have currency.