claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”
Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.
Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.
claim 2: “but genocide joe”
Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands
But trump has promised to be indisputably worse. I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.
who's saying voting doesnt change anything?
The people who don't want you to vote.
I feel like you and OP are talking about people like me who aren't voting for your candidate
lol, false. don’t brigade or stir up shit but check out my comment history for examples of individuals who advocate for voter abstention.
do like, the bare minimum of research before implying im a liar. 👍
edit: since u pedants refuse to actually read, here is a recent user openly campaigning for voter abstention. not third party, full poll skipping, and stating voting does nothing. do not brigade this user im not trying to be an ass here, just proving that i am not lying. and another popular article that calls for not voting.
I don't see where they're calling you a liar.
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https://lemmy.world/comment/9715963There's a big difference between "I feel like you" and "you are" dude. Calm down, it's not that deep.
edited to the word implied, thanks for your input.
sadly it is that deep tho lol human rights are at stake and when the first reaction is to say “no one is doing that thing that’s gonna take rights away” i am gonna take offense. just how it is.
You have every right to defend yourself from their arbitrary assumption against your character, but I don't believe anyone is straight up calling you a liar. They're just showing that they don't actually know anything about you rather than directly accusing you of lying. Like for example, "I feel like my sister likes corn dogs", do I know that as fact? Nope, I've never once seen her eat a corn dog in my life, it's an arbitrary guess that ultimately means nothing, then she'd probably respond with something like "I don't because I'm Jewish, stupid" and I'd look like a clown. I feel like that's what's happening here.
Edit : small typo.
i hear you. again, i changed my wording based on your input. lot of hot feelings here and im used to people doing straight up attacks so i do apologize if i overresponded to anyone in defense of myself.
There's no need to apologize, you're well within your right to defend yourself.
I see you commenting on a post criticizing specifically voting for Biden.
see the edit to my comment for proof
Not voting and abstaining from voting, while similar, are not the same thing.
Watching football and ignoring politics is not voting.
Rejecting both genocidal fascist candidates and abstaining is different.
Not voting means you don't care and are okay with whomever wins. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions and compromise for the best possible outcomes. It's way easier to virtue signal and not actually do anything though.
No, in this specific case, its that I don't support genocide or fascism.
If you are cool supporting genocide and fascism, you are a horrible person, but I cant stop you.
So what you're saying is it doesn't matter to you whether it's a little genocide or a lot of genocide, either is equally acceptable to you?
It's funny, all you purity testers, once someone crosses your "I refuse to support" line, then everything beyond that is equally bad to you. I think you guys have a fundamental inability to understand scale.
It's a classic trolley problem. Throw the lever, one person dies. Don't throw the lever, ten people die. You'd rather have 9 extra people die so you can pretend your conscience is clean.
"A little genocide" is fine as long as it's your guy doing it.
Because it's all about picking your flavor of fascism and getting that dub.
Jesus you people are disgusting.
Isn't that better than a lot of genocide? Because those are your options.
You boot licking fascist.
You are not forced to contribute to the ethos of a genocide.
What is not clear about that?
By not voting you are contributing to the ethos of a worse genocide. What's not clear about that?
No.
I'm not.
I am devaluing the ethos of both fascist movements.
Stop "following orders" and licking fascist boots.
Yes, you are. Stop being in denile.
You really are a child aren't you. Everyone who doesn't agree with you supports genocide. News flash is going to happen no matter what you do. All we can try to the people responsible over time. And it's not just biden. It's the entire Democratic and Republican establishment. And you got to start replacing the bottom up not top down. Maybe someday when you grow up you'll be useful and actually help someone.
Everyone who votes for a man committing genocide does support genocide. Yes.
You are getting a little senile and all that Red Scare programming is really flaring up, huh?
Stop licking boots because "it's the only option."
It's not.
Grow up he's not committing genocide. He's enabling it yes. But for the love of God grow up.
Kiddo I literally am the red. And I love to love to scare them.
You are literally the only one here to mention licking boots. I'm not here to kink shame. If that's your thing more power to you. Just stop accusing others of it. We're trying to actually make a difference unlike you.
see my edit to my comment. i understand the difference between those terms and am not equivocating. kindly stop implying im a liar now that i have provided evidence.
... which isn't simply not voting. It's refusing to vote for fascist tyrants and genocide and challenging the system to do better.
What isn't clear about that?
Spot on.
I'm one of "those guys" championing voting third party or abstaining.
Still gonna vote on the measures, but the 2 party system has 2 fascist parties, so I won't vote for them.
That gets constant "So YoUrE vOtInG fOr TrUmP! SaMe ThInG!".
Same guys calling the anti-zionism/pro-Palestine protests anti-semetic/pro-hamas.
That can't think 2 inches past their fascist's asshole. Trump and Biden followers equally.
not spot on. with full respect, this post is not about you. i really love to hear that you are voting on the ballot measures. that is a good thing.
others however are calling for non-voting altogether. this post is about them and not you, i apologize if you feel called out here that was not my intent.
Again, you keep saying "not voting" like they are just playing Call of Duty and cant be bothered.
They are abstaining. There is a difference. When no viable candidate is presented, you abstain. That is the correct thing to do.
Voting for fascism and genocide because that's all that's available is the wrong way to go about it.
Literally, mathematically, there is not.
should i post this
Mathematically, the sweeping majority of Americans are registered Independent, so why are the "only options" Republican or Democrat?
Oh ya, fascism. Enabled by people feeling bullied to vote for people they do not actually endorse.
The first past the post voting system.
All of you "literally every bad thing is fascism" people are a) morons in need of a civics class, and b) providing cover for the actual, real fascism that's attempting to overthrow our democracy.
Russian troll is going to troll. “Both sides are the same” is about the most uninformed, naive, and idiotic thing I see.
American fascist throwing tankie/russian/chinese at an actual responsible American because their feefees are hurt I wont vote for their fascist.
“Responsible American” lol
Naive, delusional, and malignant is a more apt description of “both sides” people.
43% of the country is currently registered independant.
You are the minority.
Third party is completely viable, fascists like you just clog up the discussion with your froth mouthed boot licking.
third party or not voting means you don't want to help stop Trump being elected and you approve of his blank check support of genocide.
I'm not saying you want to vote for Trump, but you have no intention of doing anything to try and stop it, and all the worse outcomes that come along with it.
Until you get preferential voting / ranked voting, that's how it is in the USA. Grow up and deal with it.
Russian state trolls
And Republicans who know better and want you to stay home. They're the same ones who lie about the date of the elections.
It's fucking nuts to me that we went through this EXACT SAME PROPAGANDA in 2016. Literally. Russians and Republicans invading leftist spaces with their faux "As a lifelong Democrat" bullshit. We didn't learn.
...mixing in with the shit stain MAGATs.
The fish in the meme
enough to be scary for someone who doesn’t like seeing human rights stripped
A bunch of assholes, not limited to Lemmy. You'll see them pop up soon.
People living in a very biased state.
Yeah, voting in the right person will solve deindustrialization, homelessness, decadent academia, drugs, inflation etc etc