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Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
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this post was submitted on 27 May 2024
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But let’s protest Biden by abstaining in the general! That’ll teach the Dems a lesson! And get a shit ton more Palestinians murdered but I’ll teach the Dems a lesson that they will definitely forget by 2028!
We really need to drive this point home.
Oh, you're not voting for Biden because of his support for Israel? Tell me more about how you care more about teaching dems a lesson than you care about minimizing the Palestinian death toll.
Even if they had the same stance on Israel, which they clearly don’t, let’s not forget the Ukrainians that would lose support on day one of a Trump presidency. Also, China would likely begin to move on Taiwan without US support. He’d set the stage for WWIII and justify it as isolationism.
US was late to WW1 and WW2. Trump wants to go 3 for 3.
Agree on Ukraine, but China doesn't have the capability to make a move on Taiwan and won't for another decade, if ever. Though Hong Kong and the Uighurs would have an even worse time with Trump in the Whitehouse to be sure.
China's capability of invading Taiwan has been overstated in the media. Sure they have a massive army, but Taiwan is an island and amphibious operations are very very hard to pull off. That being said, Trump probably wouldn't be sending a lot of arms to Taiwan so China invading Taiwan in a decade would be more likely.
That might hurt them more than anything. All china has to do is blockade Taiwan, obliterate any fishing vessels and ports it sees, and bomb farmland.
A castle can only be defended for as long as it has food stores.
China can't blockade Taiwan while being outside the range of missiles and drones. China probably has about 400 ships but what is the quality of the air defense and drone boat defense do they have?
They don't have the space to do what Russia is trying (unsuccessfully) in the Black Sea with keeping their ships outside the range of missiles and drones.
That’s a fair assessment of invasion threat. However, if we pull out of the South China Sea and the Taiwan Strait, they’ll be forced to accept China’s control of import again. That’s devastating to an island nation’s economy.
Having interacted with these people I can tell you that nothing has any effect on these goalpost moving liars and you just have to step on their dicks and convince bystanders like you do with any worthless bullshitter
There aren't going to be people left by the time Trump takes office. A million people are getting displaced right fucking now. And Biden deserves to be criticized for supporting that. So does Trump, but he's not President right now. Biden is.
The protest vote did send a pretty strong message to dems, but they evidently didn't give a fuck so now we just have to suck it up and vote for biden. It's not that they'll forget the lesson, it's that they never learned it at all. 2016 should have been a lesson as well but we see how that turned out.
This part really kills me. We already watched it happen once and are now dealing with irreparable damages as a result. How many people protested HRC by either abstaining or voting for a third-party? Fucking nobody wants Hillary in office anymore, but we don't get a say in the ticket so you suck it up and vote for the person who isn't saying they will literally commit all the crimes because being president absolves them of any blame.
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are two mutually exclusive positions
Wrong. What the democratic party does is nearly irrelevant.
"We will not vote for Biden because of Gaza" and "We will do what's best for the Palestinians who live in Gaza" are, unfortunately, truly mutually exclusive positions.
It's extremely sad, but that's the position your Republican neighbors have put you in.
Only if you ignore that there’s also a segment of Democratic voters who would reconsider support for Biden if he took a stance that they perceived as anti-Israel. Democrats are a coalition party of compromises between factions who have to work together to find as much common ground as possible in order to have any political relevance in a first-past-the-post system. Biden has to walk whatever tightrope loses the fewest votes, and he seems to think that not doing a 180 on decades of US foreign policy is the best way to do that.
Young dems are so fucking blind to the fact that the majority of Dem voters, the 30-and-ups, support Israel. Biden would LOSE votes from the largest segment of Dem voters for dropping support. He really is caught between a rock and a hard place.
That’s not what the polling says.
can't withhold a vote because policy won't change because if it did people would withhold their vote and then the policy would change
It worked when people were mad at Netflix a couple years ago, right?