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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Compare MAGA talking points with news on Russia Today or Sputnik.

Ask your MAGA friends what they think about the EU, NATO, UN, Ukraine, Zelensky, Putin, Biden, Trump then compare with Russian interests.

It couldn't be any clearer. What are the odds that MAGA views nearly in 100% overlaps with Russian best interests?

[–] MinekPo1@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

honestly I don't think your conclusion is that accurate as you are missing a common factor between RT/Sputnik and MAGA : both are right wing nationalists .

while from what I remember there is some evidence showing that the raise of the new alt-right in the US is not fully organic , I feel like saying their views are just astroturfed end of discussion is quite pointless .

just to make my point clear : Israel also has a online propaganda campaign which often aligns itself with the views of the Democratic party in the US . one could say something along the lines of "It couldn't be any clearer. What are the odds that Democrat views nearly in 100% [of cases] overlaps with Israeli best interests?" suggesting that the entirety of the Democratic party's support is artificial , which is made easier by the exsiance of Israeli funded political organizations in the US .

but this is of course bullshit . the impact of Israel's foreign politics is not the entirely of the Democratic party , nor is it correct to say that everyone who says anything positive about the Democratic party is a "Hasbara troll" . (also of course as neonazis on twitter have realised , Trump is as also affected by these forces , no you don't want to know)

I believe this also should be applied to the other side : Trump has tapped into preexisting American sentiments towards right wing nationalism and with a mixture of luck , charisma and support from both national and foreign interest groups rallied them around himself .

mind you I'm not saying this to paint the views of Trump's supporters as legitimate , I hold quite opposite views , but because I think your analysis is limited .

lets take the EU as an example : an American nationalist will quite naturally hold some distrust of foreign blocks , which is then compounded by the EU having some liberal policies . its not necessary for a foreign entity to artificially create these views since they are a natural extension of other views this political group has .