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Hey all, I’ve been doing some (surface-level) research into the Black Army and their conflicts with the Bolsheviks, and it seems to me like they got kind of a raw deal. I’m not sure if it’s because of western views on anyone that had conflicts with the Red Army, but it seems like they genuinely were pushing for the working class and had good beliefs. The slaughter of Ukrainian peasants under Trotsky also doesn’t sit right with me.

Anyway, the point is this:

It is well past time for me to actually learn some history and read some theory. I’m still not quite sure where I stand as to whether I’m ML/Anarchist/etc, but left unity and a general societal shift is obviously needed. So can someone provide me with some literature? If I’m posting this in the wrong place please let me know as well.

Thank you.

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[–] New_Airplane@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[–] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago

it's a difficult topic to talk about because, as I said, a total lack of solid sources. everything is heavily biased to one side or the other. and, not to sound like a centrist, but sometimes truly the history is somewhere in the middle. many of those under Makhno really did see themselves as the true embodiment of peasant liberty, as did Trotsky at the head of the Red Army. I do not think Mahkno was a 'bad' person, I think he truly saw himself as a revolutionary, I do not think he was equipped to carry out that revolution. I think it is always a tragedy when leftists turn on one another in sectarian violence, especially in such a revolutionary moment when every person matters so much more to defend that revolution. to me, the answer of what was best, to leave them alone or to some how gain control of Ukraine? has to be that the Ukrainian anarchists never would have held off counter revolution or foreign intervention like the Red Army had to time and time again.