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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hezbollah: Attacks IDF soldiers in base and kills only a soldier

Israel: Kills entire family in a home including two children to kill one soldier

Most moral army strikes again.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Their attacks also killed and injured several Israeli civilians, Hezbollah is not a lovely freedom fighting group that is careful to only target military bases.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This article says that they hit one israeli soldier. If a soldier on any side dies I don't really care as they've both signed up for it. Just leave the civilians out of it.

[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This article yes, but I live here and can tell you that the drone infiltrations and anti-tank missile launches by Hezbollah are happening throughout the day, every single day in the north of Israel. That’s why almost all civilians in the north have relocated to the center, driving up rent prices to unbearable levels for everybody. There are though, thankfully, thousands of households that opened up their homes to shelter and support their fellow citizens from the north and around the Gaza border.

Rocket sirens have calmed down a lot near the Gaza border (probably thanks to the IDF neutralizing more than half of Hamas forces by now), they happen only once every few days and they no longer reach the center of Israel these days. At least for now.

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[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

they've both signed up for it

Fuck no they didn't. Army service is compulsory in Israel, from age 18 and lasts over 2 years (back when I served it was 3 years for men and 2 years for women, but it has changed in the last decade and I don't know the amount now)

I don't know about Lebanon.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then vote in a government that ends that. Soldiers are acceptable targets, civilians are not.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 9 months ago

I did. My vote didn't do shit - the party I voted for didn't pass the threshold. For the first time ever, I might add. Their absence might be the very thing that caused the current abysmal government to form. And I participated in the MASSIVE protests last year after that happened.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You can refuse it like some israeli 18 year olds did.

Conscription is irrelevant as they were active soldiers on a military base. They were not reservists.

"I was just following order" is some shit from 1945 nobody cares.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago

As for refusing - it's a fucking explosive topic. Some populations do it more than others. Some populations - Haredim - just don't serve as a rule, not because of any good argument but because ThEy HavE To sTuDy ThE BIbLe!!!!! (it's one of the topics that put us on the verge of civil war last year)

For non-insane people though, refusing military service is akin to refusing to pay taxes. It works sometimes, but good fucking luck, and most people don't do it.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"they were not reservists" - exactly. Let me clarify this point.

You are forced by law to serve in the military as an active soldier at age 18. Virtually Israeli soldiers ranked Corporal, Sergeant and Staff Sergeant are in this mandatory serving period. This is active duty, not reserve duty, and the "active soldier" you mentioned is very likely to be this (I don't know how to verify this).

You generally have to follow orders and you don't get to decide what role you'll be doing (although there are ways to affect it, I won't get into it).

There are some who then stay longer, become officers, have a military career, whatever. I'm not discussing those as this bit is similar to voluntary military service in most countries.

The majority of people who finish the mandatory active duty are then released from the army, but depending on their role they remain reservists - they go live the civilian life, and every once in a while they must basically serve for a few days to both pitch in and keep up their own readiness. I'm not familiar with the details of how this works because, lucky me, I was released without reserve duty as my role didn't have much value for reserve.

And of course, at times of war, mass reservist connections ensue. But active duty from age 18 is still active duty, not reserve.

Hope that clarifies it.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I know all of this of course, but then you either take the jail or demand asylum from israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWa2Uc97-ns

The Nazi's also had conscription surely you don't think every German went out of free will. Which brings us once again to

“I was just following order” is some shit from 1945 nobody cares.

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[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Israeli warmongers: Hamas and Hezbollah both start with H.

Or maybe they forgot Gaza is in the southwest, not in the north.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Lebanese forgot to condemn Hamas.

If you didn't need a reminder that this was never about the hostages.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Hostages also start with H

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (22 children)

And they killed the hostages thinking they were Palestinian civilians.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

More like Hamastages.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget Hospitals, they very clearly start with the letter Hamas too

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[–] Fimbulwinter@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What? Hamas and Hezbollah are both attacking Israel what is your point?

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (21 children)

Didn't Israel start by bombing Lebanon ~~weeks~~ months ago?

Edit: months, not weeks: Israel bombed southern Lebanon on October 13.

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[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

This is more and more feeling like they are trying to push the limits of international tensions to start a regional war at least.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, if the fighting stops in Gaza because the most moral army gets shamed into stepping back, poor ol' Bibi is going to have to face that corruption trial. So the logical thing to do is open a new front to hold that off a while longer. Gives them time for Mossad to prime up something elsewhere.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Hezbollah, which is thought to have carried out the attack on Israel, has not claimed responsibility.

The two sides have traded regular fire across Israel's northern border since the 7 October attacks by Hamas.

"Fighter jets began an extensive wave of attacks in Lebanese territory," the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman, Daniel Hagari, wrote on X (formerly Twitter) on Wednesday.

Mr Hagari said the IDF would give more detail on its latest air strikes in the coming hours.

Hezbollah - a Shia Muslim organisation - is one of the most heavily-armed, non-state military forces in the world.

It was established in the early 1980s by the region's most dominant Shia power, Iran, to oppose Israel.


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