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[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

No, I don't pledge allegiance to the monarch.

This sounds like some "sovereign citizen" crap finding it's way into Canada. The only thing that stance is good for is schadenfreude when a judge makes "SovCits" aware of the fact that they are, in fact, subject to the law.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The "sovcit" thing has been here for a long time, I've known two here since the 90's. (I think they're both dead now.)

They were a bit more tame back then before they had the internet to feed their stupidity though.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Always have been village idiots.

Internet let them find eachother, form a union, and organize recruitment drives.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I actually built one of the "sovcits" his first computer, a Pentium dx66 IIRC. Thankfully when he was on the net he was mostly distracted by porn. Unfortunately I was also the first call he'd make when he picked up a virus.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Never understood the thought process behind these sovereign citizens. Let's say you accept the initial premise that they are their own country not subject to Canadian laws... aaaand you've been conquered. And are now subject to Canadian laws.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I want to avoid being too abusive, but it's the not-so-clever person's idea of what a well-thought-out argument looks like. They are akin the folks who abuse "creative accounting" to dodge taxes, but not as well-researched (or rich enough to hire someone who is).

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the giant gaping hole in the entire theory, yes.

The same when when they walk into a court and think that if they recite certain special magic phrases the judge just has to hand over authority to them. Like, buddy... Your premise here is that the court secretly know they're refusing to follow the rules and if you just call them out on it they'll throw their hands up and say "Ah, you got me!" Why? If this really is a giant conspiracy that the entire government is in on, then who is going to stop them? They can still just throw you in jail anyway, because they control all the levers of state power.

Arguably, it's blessing they don't see it this way, because if you buy into all the shit they've bought into, the only real logical response is violent revolution.

But it works on SovCits because a) they're self-selected for gullibility, and b) their individualist, hardcore libertarian mindset makes them incapable of comprehending any problem that cannot be solved by individual action. Overthrowing a corrupt government is the kind of collective response that they simply cannot conceive of working.

So it must be possible to hack their way out of the system by cleverly reciting the special mantra that only they know because they're so clever and special. It's the only thing that fits with their individualist fantasy of simply opting out of every social contract / construct.

It’s the same reason you see conservatives spew their bullshit talking points despite being debunked already.

To a creature that fundamentally does not understand logic, that’s all debates and laws are. Just spewing random magical words until one side goes away or gets violent.

But I’m sure we can just vote them out.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

There is the whole accepting the government and taxes thing, I can see if you turned age of majority and never used public services or public roads, then maybe taxes could be seen wrong if you just lived remotely in the woods like a tribes/bushman. But as soon aa you participate lin society the sovcit goes out the window.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago

Poor Romana Didulo, not having his support

[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 months ago

You get a lot of them in England going on about the Magna Carta being their mandate as well as the Peelian Principals.

[–] quilter@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

The staff annoyance seethes on this form https://www.ontario.ca/page/renew-drivers-licence

Signatures with "add-on statements" or illustrations will not be accepted. If your signature has not been accepted, you will need to correct your signature before you can receive your new driver’s licence.

The following types of statements are considered ‘add-ons’ and are not accepted:

“I hereby certify…”

“Without prejudice…”

“All rights reserved per…”

“Freeman on the Land”

“Sovereign Citizens”

The following examples of illustrations are not accepted:

©

®

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 40 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Home Depot needs to call the cops and have him charged with theft.

He's a bully, an idiot, and a thug, but most importantly he's a criminal.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 7 months ago

But he was already "slammed".

[–] Syringe@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Whether he left the money or not, no sale was made as he didn't pay the agreed upon price. He stole those goods. When HD files their taxes, it's not as though the government doesn't charge them for the tax on that. Or rather... That's how it works for small business. I have no idea what kind of tax breaks they get.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I guess "internet weirdo steals from home depot" is too on the nose for a title.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

The video currently has over 182,200 views.

Real news-worthy 🙄 that's effectively 0, as far as Tik-Tok views go.

[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is a good example of how social media is ruining society. By allowing antisocial assholes to platform themselves, we amplify their voices and provide a veneer of legitimacy that they a) don't deserve, and b) threatens the functioning of society as a whole. While c) they get to grow their assholery into a "movement" 🤢

[–] jasep@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

What an asshat

[–] Hootz@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

Fucking Sov Cits

These people are some of the dumbest people in the country.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

Video unavailable

If they’re going to make an article about a video, the least they can do is download it and host it themselves

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Idiot with audience attempts burglary in foreign country. Films it.

It's a bold move.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait he's not even Canadian?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

... wait, was this in Canada? I thought you guys had prices-as-marked instead of applying tax at the register.

[–] LittleTarsier@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago

Sadly no, tax is applied at the register

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

Not for over 30 years. Many provinces had sales tax before that as well.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

No haha we have to add our tax on at the register too. Rarely some stores do tax in but it's the exception by far.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Saw this asshole's video. What a pathetic piece of shit. "I need management!" Like a fucking child.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago

Is his name Karen?