Rivalarrival

Hear, hear!

And what if noone was warm to him, who is at fault when the village burns?

Him.

It's a pretty simple concept. He is the one who performed the act. He is responsible.

I'd say the adults are.

Unless you can show the adults deliberately taught him to murder, I'd say no. If you can show they did that, they can join him in prison forever. But he doesn't get a pass.

I'm perfectly happy to blame the adults for a kid becoming a little shithead asshole. Not so much when the kid deliberately decides to murder someone.

You argued that 4-year-olds don't need supervision. Now you're arguing that 15-year-olds are incapable of being responsible for their own, deliberate actions; that their parents, guardians, or other individuals charged with supervising their behavior are responsible.

Because that’s where your path leads: Towards a failure to regard other people as people.

No. Life, liberty, rights, and privileges can - and should - be deprived upon conviction of a crime. The appropriate deprivation of rights and privileges as a sentence for murder is life imprisonment. Nothing of my opinion disregards any person as a person.

Your position, however, disregards the victim's rights as a person. Further, you have advocated for stripping me of my rights to participate in governance based solely on your dislike for my opinion.

You have justified fascism.

It’s about executive control.

I summarily reject your suggestion that a 15-year-old is so lacking in their capacity for executive control that they can be excused of murder.

If an adult has an intrusive thought

This wasn't an intrusive thought. This was a deliberate act.

If a kid does not feel the warmth of the village they will find the warmth they deserve by setting it ablaze.

By all means, be warm to the kid. Until he starts setting people on fire.

You should be kept as far away from the justice system as possible.

You just "othered" me. You just called for me to be undemocratically removed from the political process, entirely because you don't agree with my opinions. I have not been tried or convicted in any crime, or otherwise been the subject of any sort of due process that would strip me of any rights or privileges.

Your position is therefore undemocratic.

I do, indeed, understand that children slowly bear more and more responsibility for their own actions as their cognition and experience increases. What you don't seem to understand is that the cognitive abilities and experiences necessary to comprehend the rightness and wrongness of murder are typically developed well before age 10. You further fail to understand that this kid possessed them. He knew what he was doing. This wasn't some youthful indiscretion, or a simple failure to control his impulses. This was a deliberate act. He specifically went looking to kill someone, and succeeded.

You asked me several comments up to consider my own behavior at age 15. I never murdered anyone, and I knew that murdering people was wrong before 15. Long before 15. The overwhelming majority of kids are sufficiently responsible to use deadly weapons for hunting and sport before reaching their teens.

Murder stops being tolerable as soon as the individual is capable of deliberately causing it. This kid was capable of such deliberation. He is irredeemable.

While Intend to agree that the time needs to accommodate school schedules, it is ludicrous to base school schedules on the latest sunrise of the year, especially since that sunrise is only that late for a few weeks of the year, and for >2 of those weeks, the kids are on winter break anyway.

Schools can adjust their schedules on much smaller increments.

if new York stayed on -5 in winter

New York is on UTC-5 in winter.

I'm sorry you're living under fascism.

Ad hominem.

Which does not mean that he is responsible for being the way that he is.

"The way he is" is "responsible for his own actions". He has been found to have the mental capacity necessary to comprehend the difference between the "rightness" and "wrongness" of jamming a knife into another human.

Some people should just never see the light of day again. This kid is one of them.

8am is the latest sunrise in a Detroit winter on EST, UTC-5. If you want it earlier, Detroit can't be on EST, let alone EDT. They would need to be on CST, UTC-6, which the never are. Solar noon would be around 11:15 AM. Sunset would be before 4PM.

Are you just being contrary for the sake of being contrary?

Now I don't know where you're from but around here four year olds are unsupervised in public.

I suspect you misspoke. 4-year-olds require 24/7 supervision from a parent, guardian, or other caregiver in public or private. Failure to continuously supervise a 4-year-old you are responsible for is a chargeable offense.

It's also not about the concept, but about what is considered right and what's wrong,

It is about the capacity to understand right and wrong about a given act. Children much younger than 15 are expected to understand the general legal and moral implications of murder.

You have no idea what his psychology looks like

Untrue. I know he was subjected to numerous hearings and evaluations to determine his competency. He was found to not have sufficiently diminished capacity to excuse or mitigate his actions.

There is a line between "wishing for death" and "inciting violence". You're on the wrong side of that line.

The EC votes are cast on the first Tuesday after the second Wednesday in December. (December 17th). They are counted on January 6th.

Yeah, I was a little off on the timeline... If he strokes out after the EC casts their votes, but before they are counted in the House, then Vance will be properly elected to the vice presidency, but the House is required to immediately vote on the Presidency. They only get to select from the top three EC vote winners. With Harris being the only candidate to win any EC votes for president, the House is constitutionally required to elect her. Harris/Vance.

If I were a Republican, I'd table-flip that outcome, but theoretically...

There's an interesting possibility.

If Trump strokes out before the EC votes are cast, Vance becomes president.

But, if Trump strokes out after the EC votes are cast, but before they are actually counted in the House, Vance will be properly elected to the vice presidency. No presidential candidate will have 270 votes, so the decision will be made by the House, and the House can only choose from the top 3 candidates based on EC vote count. Harris being the only other candidate to win any EC votes, the House can only choose her. We end up with a Harris/Vance administration.

Hopefully, he strokes out before the EC casts their votes in December. If that happens, we can end up with a Harris/Vance administration.