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LoglineLa’An travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter humanity’s future history—and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy.


Written by David Reed

Directed by Amanda Row

Note: This is a second attempt, as technical difficulties were preventing people from seeing the original discussion post. Apologies to the people who were able to comment in the original.

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##"Where should I start?"

At the time of writing, there are 11 Star Trek shows (3 actively running) and 13 movies with a further show and a movie 'special event' in development.

With that in mind, it's no wonder that people come to this subreddit on a regular basis to ask where should I start?

This page is intended to be a spoiler free, quick start guide for people starting their journey through the Star Trek franchise.

We hope you find it useful, and please do contribute to the subreddit with your questions as you take your own journey; just be warned that you may see the odd spoiler.

LLAP,

StarTrek moderation team


What is canon? What can I skip?

The broad rule for the Star Trek franchise is that it's canon if it appears on screen though this still has its exceptions, maybe.

Instead of telling you what you can and can't skip in an unwieldy list, we'll start with a quick rundown of the shows in the Trek 'canon', the initialisms you'll see over the subreddit to refer to them, how many seasons they have and when they aired:

Series Initialism Seasons Air Dates Quality Why you could start here
Star Trek (Those Old Scientists) TOS 3 1966–1969 HD 4:3 It was the start of the franchise, had a comprehensive remaster in the 00s which added updated effects
The Animated Series TAS 2 1973–1974 HD 4:3 You enjoy old animation
Movies I - VI TMP 2 1979–1991 HD/4K 16:9 Movies that are aimed at a wider audience than the shows, have higher budgets and give you a look at the TOS characters without quite so many cardboard sets
The Next Generation TNG 7 1987–1994 HD 4:3 The first of the, heh, Next Generation of shows. Stars recognizable names such as Patrick Stewart and many iconic episodes. Also has had an extensive remaster.
Movies VII - X GEN/FC/INS/NEM 2 1994–2002 HD 16:9 Movies that are aimed at a wider audience than the shows, have higher budgets
Deep Space Nine DS9 7 1993–1999 SD 4:3 Trek's first real foray into serialized narratives in the later seasons, widely regarded as having aged extremely well. Features Trek's first Black Captain.
Voyager VOY 7 1995–2001 SD 4:3 Episodic and relatively standalone, features Trek's first female Captain
Enterprise ENT 4 2001–2005 HD 16:9 The last of the 'Berman' (showrunner) era of shows, first of the Trek shows to be filmed in Widescreen, set before TOS.
Movies XI - XIII O9/ID/BEYOND 2 2009–2016(?) 4K 16:9 Features a branch of the 'prime' timeline. A great way to introduce you to the concepts of Trek through a more modern lens.
Discovery DSC 4 2017-Present HD 16:9 The first of the 'new,nu or Kurtzman' era of Star Trek, requires no prior knowledge to jump in and features serialized storytelling.
Picard PIC 2 2020-Present HD 16:9 Picks up 20 years after Nemesis, contains spoilers for TNG and VOY but can stand on it's own
Lower Decks LD 2 2020-Present HD 16:9 Animated comedy/love letter to Trek, chock full of references to the other shows that you may miss as a first time viewer, but that just gives you a reason to rewatch it later.
Prodigy PRO 1 2021-Present HD 16:9 CG animated show targetted towards children, contains VOY spoilers, a great place to start if you have a young family.
Strange New Worlds SNW 1 2022-Present HD 16:9 Star Trek returns to live action episodic television, contains DSC spoilers but largely stands on it's own as a 'new' TOS.

Now we have that out of the way, here are a few suggestions:


##The "production" order.

If you're committed to watching everything eventually, and want to do it the "right" way, we recommend the following:

TOS^^1 → TAS → Films (1-6) → TNGGenerations (Film 7) → DS9First Contact (Film 8) → VOY → Films 9-10^^2 → ENT → Films 11-13^^3 → DSCPICLDPROSNW

^1 It's often recommended to skip "The Cage" on your initial watch-through. It was an unaired pilot and most of the footage was recycled into the two-parter "The Menagerie" (watch it later for the novelty, though!).

^2 The Movies 7, 8, 9 and 10 feature the TNG cast, and can be watched anytime after TNG without spoiling anything from DS9, Nemesis however contains a Voyager spoiler.

^3 Films 11-13 The "Kelvin Timeline" Films take place in an alternate timeline and can be watched anytime; however, there are a lot of references and easter eggs to the prime timeline.

Late TNG and early DS9 (as well as late DS9 and early VOY) were on the air at the same time, (an episode from each came out each week). Consequently, their story lines take place at the same time. If you want to watch it in the order it was aired on TV then this list is for you. It should be noted that nothing is lost/gained by watching each series one at a time in the order above due to the nature of 90s syndicated television.


Other popular suggestions

If you're not super keen on older television shows, or you're looking for a way to hook a significant other, there are several other approaches that come up.

Start with TNG

TNGDS9VOY → Films 8-10 → ENTTOSTAS → Films (1-7) → Films 11-13 → DSCPIC

This method is for those that think (or have found) that they struggle with the production value of TOS, ease yourself in with something a bit more modern and then go back to the start once you've developed a ~~lifelong obsession with~ fondness for the universe.

The Next Generation was the start of the Berman era of Star Trek in the late 80's (despite Star Treks creator Gene Roddenberry having the reigns for the first couple of seasons). It had much higher production values than The Original Series, and it set the tone and style for the following three shows. While TOS is mentioned, referenced, and characters from it even appear, this won't affect your enjoyment of those episodes because of how ubiquitous TOS characters are throughout pop culture. You'll definitely come to appreciate those episodes a little more after watching TOS though.

Start with a more modern show

This usually means starting with either ENT, DSC or SNW. This method is for those that really don't like older, slower-paced TV shows, or find black bars on the side of the screen a barrier to enjoyment. ENT has good effects and more modern pacing (along with less reused stock footage of the ship for the ship lovers out there). DSC ties in a fair amount with TOS- but can be safely watched before it without missing out on or spoiling anything big.

Enterprise takes place chronologically before all other series. It references a lot of things from the other series though, and for maximum enjoyment should be watched after. But if you (or whomever you're trying to turn into a Trekkie) has a hard time getting into older series, this is a good way to get started. Many a Trekkie was created with this method.

NOTE: Picard is also a "modern" series, and while it can be enjoyed on it's own, there are considerable references/callbacks to the older series, including several main characters. So it's usually recommended to at least be familiar with TNG first.

Child Friendly

Star Trek contains a fair amount of adult themes and content, especially the newer shows with their higher production budgets and lack of television broadcast restrictions. Your parental boundaries may be different from ours, so to be safe; we recommend watching any live-action show episodes yourself before watching them as a family (despite TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT being marketed as family-friendly).

You can, however, safely watch Star Trek Prodigy with your family. It's specifically aimed at a younger audience (but is enjoyable for adults as well)!

Chronological order or Air Date

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Did you watch Star Trek during it's original run and aren't worried about being spoiled, but don't really remember everything?

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My spouse felt commemoratively inspired and asked me to post.

(It’s the Eaglemoss Kelvin D-7. The peony petals just did their own thing.)

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  • The title “Ad Astra per Aspera” is Latin, meaning ”to the stars through difficulty.” The phrase was seen on the United Earth Starfleet flag outside Starfleet HQ in “Shadows of P’Jem”, and the updated Starfleet seal introduced in “Regeneration”

  • In flashback we see a young Number One with a compound fracture in her leg; her glowing healing abilities are evident but her mother says, ”Her system can’t handle it. She is a child.” In “Ghosts of Illyria” the adult Number One’s system is able to cure both herself and La’an of exposure to toxic radiation levels from an imminent warp core breach.

  • The room in which Captain Batel offers her plea deal to Number one has flags representing Tellar Prime, Vulcan, Starfleet Command, the Andorian Empire, and United Earth.

  • Pike records the stardate as 2393.8 in his personal log. His log in the previous episode had the stardate as 2369.2, and he claimed in that episode that his trip to visit Neera Ketoul woul last only three days.

  • Pike has travelled to the Vaultera Nebula, which was mentioned by Number One in the episode, “Ghosts of Illyria” as the location of ”the original Illyrian settlement.”

    • ”The atmosphere here is not suitable for human life. The locals, however, have adapted.” In “Ghosts of Illyria” we learned that as opposed to terraforming worlds, Illyrians use genetic engineering to modify their bodies to live in environments they otherwise couldn’t.
  • ”Or do they not teach reading the room at the Academy?” In the DIS episode “Brother” Pike’s academy transcript was displayed on the main viewscreen, and he received D- in reading the room.

  • ”I saw what happened to Illyrians who reverse their genetic modification just so the Federation will accept them.” Pike is referring to the events of “Ghosts of Illyria”, though in that episode it seemed as though the transformation that happened to the Hetemit IX colony was less because they were Illyrians, and more because having reversed their genetic modifications the colonists no longer had their enhanced disease fighting capabilities.

  • Number One tells Ketoul that ”Until two months ago my record with Starfleet was spotless,” giving us a rough idea how much time has passed since season one’s finale, “A Quality of Mercy”.

  • ”Some Illyrians have modifications they can’t hide….” The first Illyrians we saw other than Number One in “The Menagerie” were in the ENT episode “Damage”, where they had forehead ridges, and in “Ghosts of Illyria” Number One pulled up a display of Illyrian children, one of whom had the same ridges as well as webbed fingers, one with enlarged ears and elongated eyelashes, one with oval pupils, and one with pupiless pearlescent eyeballs.

  • Number is being charged with violating Starfleet code 614 to 617, prohibiting Starfleet officers from engaging in permanent bioengineering.

    • Genetic modification being illegal was not introduced to Trek canon until the fifth season of DS9’s “Doctor Bashir, I Presume”.

    • In “Genesis” Doctor Crusher intentionally activated a dormant gene in lieutenant Barclay which caused him to transform into a spider, and everyone else aboard the enterprise to “devolve” to more primitive lifeforms as well.

    • In “Doctor Bashir, I Presume”, Doctor Bashir’s enhancements are overlooked and he’s allowed to continue to serve in Starfleet after his father makes a plea deal as the one who arranged for the enhancements.

    • We learn that Chakotay’s was genetically manipulated by his family doctor prior to birth in “The Fight”, suppressing the gene for a cognitive disorder called sensory tremens.

    • Miral Paris was genetically modified in the womb by the Doctor to correct a congenital spinal defect, and in the alternate future of “Endgame” she was still able to serve in Starfleet.

    • In “Lethe” Admiral Cornwell was aware that Stamets modified his own genetics with the tardigrade’s DNA, and mentions that it is in violation of Starfleet’s rules, but the matter was never brought up again.

  • Pike relates to Batel his first encounter with Number One where he gave a speech her Starfleet Academy class about a test mission he’d flown. “Light and Shadows” established that Pike’s first assignment in Starfleet was test pilot.

  • Kal-toh is a Vulcan game introduced in “Alter Ego”, similar to pick-up sticks.

  • ”I regret that you had to witness that outburst.” Spock has lost all control.

    • Spock describes Pasalk as a ”former colleague” of his father. You can tell Spock is out of sorts after the discussion because he volunteered information about a personal acquaintance without prompting.
  • ”Per regulation 25, section B, all personal logs remained sealed unless by order of Starfleet command.” In “Second Contact” Mariner claimed that regulation 25 also prohibits selling Starfleet technology.

    • In “Crisis Point” Boimler was able to have the holodeck create highly accurate simulations of the USS Cerritos crew by having the computer analyze their personal logs. Though Ketoul later says that it takes six months and approval from several admirals to unseal a personal log, and we know Boimler is nothing if not persistent.
  • Starfleet courtrooms using a bell goes back to “Court Martial”, and has been seen in “The First Duty” and “Rules of Engagement”.

  • The courtroom set is a redress of the USS Shenzhou bridge set first seen in “The Vulcan Hello”. It has been used as:

    • The bridge of the mirror universe ISS Shenzhou

    • The bridge of Leland’s Section 31 starship, NCIA-93

    • The 32nd century Federation Headquarters

  • This is our first look at the dress uniforms for the pre-TOS era. Even during the awards ceremony in “Will You Take My Hand?” there were not dress uniforms in DIS.

    • This iteration of the dress uniform is pretty clearly inspired by what was introduced in TOS, up to and including the decorations worn in place of the Starfleet insignia.

    • Spocks’ decorations are arranged in the same configuration seen on his TOS uniform, except a bauble that hangs below the array is missing.

  • Admiral Zus Tlaggul is played by David Benjamin Tomlinson, who also plays Linus on DIS.

  • The term ”Space Command” is from “Court Martial”, where Commodore Stone was the Space Command Representative. “Space Command” has not been used in any other episode.

  • As in “Court Martial”, Number One has to consent to her prosecuting officer.

  • The charges against Number One are read out by the computer, as was the case “Court Martial”.

  • Number One’s service record shows that she has previously served on:

    • The USS Martin Luthor King Jr. - established in “Strange New Worlds”

    • The USS Antares - Pike’s service record in “Brother” showed he also served on the Antares and Number One wore a pin commemorating crewmates lost aboard the Antares in “Memento Mori”

    • The USS Chatelet - again, Pike’s service record seen in “Brother” established he two served aboard the Chatelet

    • A redacted ship - we know Number One was in command of the USS Archer during its mission leading to the events of “Strange New Worlds”

  • There are two reliefs in the courtroom which appears to feature a number of alien species seen throughout Trek:

    • Tiburonian - “The Way to Eden”

    • Saurian - “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”

    • Zaranite - “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”

    • Osnullus - “Context is for Kings”

    • Caitian - “The Survivor”

    • Andorian - “Journey to Babel”

    • Betelgausian - “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”

    • Tellarite - “Journey to Babel”

    • A tall robed alien - “Journey to Babel” - they were called giants on the call sheet for the episode, and in STO they’re referred to as Zambeans

    • Algolian - “Ménage à Troi”

    • Rhaandite - “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”

    • Vulcan - “Where No Man Has Gone Before”

    • There are eight beings on the reliefs whose species I haven’t yet managed to identify, but presumably one of them is human

  • The chair people sit in while testifying is inspired by the one seen in “Court Martial” including the circular sensor built into the right armrest to detect the truthfulness of any given statement.

  • ”It would seem that the rules of Starfleet only apply when a captain deems that they do.” Please see “All of Star Trek”.

  • Admiral April recommended Number One for the Medal of Gallantry. Starfleet also has a Decoration for Valor and Gallantry mentioned in “The Measure of a Man”, and a Citation for Conspicuous Gallantry noted in “Court Martial”.

  • In response to being asked when he first met Number One, Spock says it was his first day as an ensign aboard the Enterprise, and encounter we saw in the “Q&A” short.

    • Spock outs Number One as having an affinity for Gilbert and Sullivan; in “Q&A” the pair sung the “Major-General’s Song” together while trapped in a turbolift.
  • La’an states that Number One was part of the rescue mission that found her, which was included in La’an’s file seen in “Strange New Worlds”.

  • Batel asks La’an if her last name means she is related to Khan Noonien-Singh, which she confirms. The augment leader Khan was introduced in “Space Seed”.

  • La’an tells Ketoul that she was angry upon learning Number One is Illyrian; this happened in “Ghosts of Illyria” but we were not privy to La’an’s log entry.

  • It is at least strongly implied if not outright stated that La’an carries Khan’s genetic augmentations, despite the centuries separating them.

  • Number One answers Vice Admiral Pasalk question of when Pike learned she’s Illyrian with stardate 1224.3, the stardate given in her first officer’s log in “Ghosts of Illyria”.

  • When asked who’s flying the ship, Ortegas says *”The thing practically flies itself.” In “Star Trek: The Search for Spock” Scotty says ”A chimpanzee and two trainees could run [the Enterprise ].”

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Lol the linked promos are all pretty funny robot chicken style. Scotty would make a great DJ.

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I'm rewatching it now, it's so well written that it almost stands out from the rest of the episode. It comes off like something from David Mamet or The West Wing. It's not Far Beyond The Stars or In The Pale Moonlight, the stakes of the episode are too low. But the material it gave all the actors to work with, the incredibly realistic way it weaves together different conversations going on between a large group, that the (really really good) acting abilities of the cast just get pushed over the top. It's all in one room, no effects, no cost except for the appearance of Bareil, but it's riveting, you can't stop paying attention. It's kind of a master class in writing. And it's buried after the opening credits in the second episode of season 2.

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This is a long-running (13 years!) weekly discussion of Star Trek episodes, formerly on Twitter, but now hosted by Joe Sondow on Mastodon.

The discussions are on Tuesdays at 1300 PT / 1600 ET, and each week features a different episode. Questions are sourced from the community, and answers are shared on Mastodon.

This Tuesday's episode is Discovery's "Choose to Live".

Since many of us are relatively new to the Fediverse, I wanted to draw some attention to it - check it out!

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Personally I would probably put "Devil's Due" at number one, but I realized not everyone can have such a refined taste in Trek.

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Sometimes I feel like I'm part of the minority who actually enjoyed Enterprise. Sure, there were some stinkers but the world was incredibly interesting and in Series 3 / 4 I really felt like it scratched that Trek lore itch for me.

If Enterprise was to be rebooted for a series 5, perhaps on Paramount+ or another streaming service, what would it look like? I don't think Jolene Blalock would come back but I'm sure Scott Bakula could be convinced as well as most of the other actors.

I would really hope they keep the early 2000s aesthetic of the NX-01 and all of the retro low-tech gear, perhaps show a gradual transition into the aesthetic of Strange New Worlds. You could mix in some time shenanigans to explain why things look different than they did in TOS and make some fun callbacks, like In A Mirror Darkly.

There's a lot of room to move before the series finale happens - or you could just retcon it and present it as a deep cover-up. So many opportunities! I want to hear this community's opinions!

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As a noob this is likely me, but I tried to start a community on another server and I can't see the post (my other account used to make said community) made and set as english. Unless it's just me being a noob, that can't be good. A cursory look seems to confirm that I can't see anything aside from "Undetermined".

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In the scene between Q and Jean-Luc Picard, Q delivers an amazingly stirring monologue about the importance of one person, saying "Must it always have galactic import? Universal stakes? Celestial upheaval? Isn't one life enough?" This line is an impressive reminder that sometimes, saving a single individual can be just as important as saving a galaxy.

In this moment, we see a different side of Q - one that is vulnerable and sincere. Or was that his true side all along? The scene impresses the deep friendship between Q and Jean-Luc, as Q reveals his true motivation - to heal Jean-Luc's heart.

Overall, this scene is such a beautiful and touching moment that adds even more depth to these two already well-developed characters. It reminds me of the power of friendship and the importance of valuing individual lives.

"Humans. Your griefs, your pains, fix you to moments in the past long gone. You’re like butterflies with your wings pinned”. There is so much food for thought in this piece of wisdom alone. Every sentence in this scene has its place, has meaning beyond the words expressing it. Note also the stunning, subtle yet powerful soundtrack.

This scene and the one to follow is so well paced and delivered by John de Lancie and Patrick Stewart, it will stick with me for many years to come. I have rewatched it over and over. It alone makes the entire 2nd season worthwhile.

May we all remember to say this to someome from our heart. Almost nothing means more than this:

"You matter to me."

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That article speculates that elements of Paramount (including CBS Studios, which produces Trek these days) could be sold off to other companies, perhaps even Netflix. This, however, doesn't get into the hairy discussion surrounding rights to the franchise.

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I've been watching through ds9 for the first time and the show has always been good, even the first season I thought started fairly strong. And season 6 (as I've said in another post) has started really strong, with an actual deviation from the show's status quo that lasts longer than one episode.

But holy shit, this might be one of my favorite episodes. Not just of ds9, or star trek in general, but maybe of any show I've seen. And as far as I'm aware people barely talk about it.

The whole episode is essentially Dukat's facade of composure slowly breaking down. He's always been an interesting villain, and at times his insistence that he's doing his best can almost convince you that he might not entirely be the bad guy; that maybe he is, in some way, trying to do good.

And a lesser show might try to redeem him. But not ds9. Millions died under his command, people were sent to the deaths, and as long as he tries defend his actions in any way there's no room for redemption.

This episode finally breaks down all of his fake pretenses of helping Bajor, or trying his best to "rule with a softer hand." Finally his deception is broken down and reveals what he has always been. And it's done in the best way possible.

The scene where he finally breaks down is fantastic. No music, just Marc Alaimo acting his ass off. The panning back and forth between him talking to sisko and talking to the various voices in his head...

"And that is why you're not an evil man?"

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From Wikipedia, "A practical effect is a special effect produced physically, without computer-generated imagery or other post-production techniques."

Some of my favorite practical effect species are from TOS. There's the Horta from TOS "The Devil in the Dark" s1e25. I was about 9 years old when I first saw the Horta episode. Old enough to know it wasn't real, but young enough to be utterly fascinated by something that looked like an angry chunk of hot lava making its way around on the ground.

TOS's the Salt Vampire's look scared little kid me. Truth be told, the way it looks still gives me the creeps.

The Gorn (TOS "Arena" s1e18) didn't scare me, but I thought it was intimidating. Sure, it looks like somebody in a lizard man suit. But, that Gorn had a knife! And, was trying to kill Kirk! Bonus points for the Gorn's sparkly, stylish armor.

I think tribbles are just adorable.

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LoglineCommander Una Chin-Riley faces court-martial along with possible imprisonment and dishonorable dismissal from Starfleet, and her defense is in the hands of a lawyer who’s also a childhood friend with whom she had a terrible falling out.


Written by Dana Horgan

Directed by Valerie Weiss

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Narrated by the plain and simple tailor himself.

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