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How would you deal with violent crimes (murder, rape, abuse, things that are considered morally reprehensible by most people, regardless of religion and affiliation) without a penal system? Mob punishment?
I would suggest this article as an introduction to penal abolition.
But, to sum some common abolitionist answers, I would say :
Here's a more easily readable version that doesn't require a download:
https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00728496
Restorative justice programs have been implemented in Indigenous Canadian communities with higher success than the existing contemporary justice system. With high recursion and incarceration rates for indigenous people, those programs address the root of crime without punishment while still holding perpetrators accountable. Most importantly, it's done in a way that seeks to support rather than re-victimize those affected by crime.
I absolutely agree with the abolishionist movement but hadn't known till now that it was large scale and worldwide. I agree with the changes being made locally without understanding the whole philosophy, basically. Thanks for giving me a good reason to learn more about it.
My pleasure, really! Ruth Morris and Kaba are, for me, the two insisting the most on the link between first nations practices of restauration and possible ways to start an abolitionniste strain from there, if you're interested in these..
As for the movement in general, it started to grow in the 60's. Mainly driven by professors of law and critical criminology, on the one side, prisoners movements and unions on the other side. A great deal of anarchists, a lot of religious people, a few moral radicalists. Many had a common experience of nazi camps. That may be too simple of an explanation, but some of them explicitly state that to account for their interest in prison and hatred for the penal system.
I appreciate that. I'm going to see if there's anything published on/by them at my local library. (not sarcastic I love the library)