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Great essay by Gramsci on the ideology of classes, and of society at large and how to change it. The focus is on the ideology of the masses, how and why they adopt certain ideologies, how they're reinforced, and how they can be changed. Even though it's a bit longer, I think its well worth the read and that many comrades would find it useful.

I think the social aspects of ideology formation of every individual and of groups are often neglected, and this essay really centers them well.

The active man of the masses works practically, but he does not have a clear theoretical consciousness of his actions, which is also a knowledge of the world in so far as he changes it. Rather his theoretical consciousness may be historically opposed to his actions. We can almost say that he has two theoretical consciousnesses (or one contradictory consciousness): one implicit in his actions, which unites him with all his collaborators in the practical transformation of reality; and one superficially explicit or verbal, which he has inherited from the past and which he accepts without criticism.

Gramsci explores how people and groups react to the logical and rational arguments for a certain ideology.

The rational, logically coherent form, the completeness of the reasoning which neglects no positive or negative argument of any weight, has its importance, but it is a very long way from being decisive; it can be decisive in a minor way, when a given person is already in a state of intellectual crisis, drifts between the old and the new, has lost faith in the old but is not yet decided in favor of the new, etc.

But he always keeps in mind the broader societal aspects, how they relate to the individual, and how the individual relates to them.

We can conclude that the process of propagation of new conceptions takes place for political, that is, in the last instance, social reasons, but that the formal elements of logical coherence, authority and of organization have a very great role in this process immediately after the general orientation has taken place, among individuals as well as large groups.

He also answers the question of why it's hard to change people's minds with arguments, and this is a very important point for our propaganda. Debunking bourgeois propaganda is necessary, but on its own it's rarely enough. We have to offer people (a way towards) clear material benefits in a relatively short time frame which would make them want to join us, but this conversion is not likely to be effective if there is no new social group the individual can become part of, and through which he can then act. This is where our organizations should come in.

one may well imagine the intellectual position of a man of the people; he is made up of opinions, convictions, criteria of discrimination and norms of conduct. Anyone who supports a point of view contrary to his is able, in so far as he is intellectually superior, to argue better than him and put him logically to flight, etc.; should the man of the people therefore change his convictions? Because in the immediate discussion he is unable to assert himself? But then he would reach the position of having to change his ideas once a day

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On what elements then is his philosophy based, and especially his philosophy in the form in which it has greater importance for him as a norm of conduct? The most important element is undoubtedly of a non-rational character, of faith. But in whom and in what? Especially in the social group to which he belongs, in so far as it thinks broadly as he does

I really enjoyed Gramsci's analysis of the dialectical nature of the development of ideology on a societal scale along with the interactions between intellectuals and the masses, something which Lenin and Stalin both emphasized. Gramsci also stresses the importance of theory in political organizing, which is a factor I've seen neglected by some orgs today.

The process of development is bound by an intellectuals-mass dialectic; the stratum of intellectuals develops quantitatively and qualitatively, but every leap towards a new “fullness” and complexity on the part of the intellectuals is tied to an analogous movement of the mass of simple people, who raise themselves to higher levels of culture and at the same time broaden their circle of influence with thrusts forward by more or less important individuals or groups towards the level of the specialized intellectuals. But in the process, times continually occur when a separation takes place between the mass and the intellectuals (either certain individuals or a group of them), a loss of contact, and hence the impression [of theory] as a complementary, subordinate “accessory.” Insistence on the element of “practice” in the theory-practice nexus, after having split, separated and not merely distinguished the two elements (merely a mechanical and conventional operation), means that we are passing through a relatively primitive historical phase, one that is still economic-guild-like, in which the general framework of the “structure” is being transformed quantitatively, and the appropriate quality-superstructure is in the process of arising but is not yet organically formed.

From my own experience, and from what I see on social media, many of the current communist movements and orgs, especially in the west, are struggling with problems similar to the ones Gramsci discusses throughout the essay. The solutions are generally known, at least to anyone willing to analyze the situation, but their actual implementation in each particular case is still an issue.

However, in the most recent developments of Marxism the deepening of the concept of the unity of theory and practice is still only in its initial stage: remnants of mechanicalism still persist, since theory is spoken of as a “complement,” an accessory of practice, as an ancillary of practice.

Personally, reflecting back on my own radicalization, I distinctly remember elements which Gramsci describes here, especially in regard to the role of rational, logical arguments and losing faith in the old system. Also, this essay really reminded me to read more Gramsci, as he's the one "big" Marxist theorist I've read least, but his works are definitely very valuable and insightful.

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In my quest to collect reliable sources to combat common lies leveled against China and the UdSSR I require some help regarding Tibetan Language use.

I have read multiple times that ~90% of Tibetans are able to speak Tibetan alongside Chinese. I have also found reports of Tibetan and other Chinese politicians confirming numbers between 90 and 99.99% depending on the reported age bracket.

But I couldn't find any scholarly work regarding this issue.

Most sources you can find online will either claim that China is banning Tibetan language use outright or is eradicating the language by not teaching it. These claims are either present directly through RFA/Tibetwatch or source RFA/Tibetwatch. Which means it's 100% bullshit.

It would still be nice if someone knows any academic books or reports on the issue. I have found that providing "trustworthy" sources works better than going on and on about CIA fronts and the NED especially when talking with someone who still needs to shed a lot of western propaganda.

Edit: wording for clarification

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I'm Portuguese and can understand Spanish but weirdly enough I haven't had a chance to read much from Cuba. I've read books and theory work from China and Vietnam (special shout out to Luna) and feel like I'm missing out on a bunch of works that could be more accessible to me in it's original form.

Is there any essential reading from Cuba (not about the revolutionary period)? I have a special interest in the current state of Cuba, thoughts on what (and how) should be improved or reinforced and Cuba's plans for future. Also any books oriented on theory work from Cuba?

Anyone has any works (English or Spanish) they would recommend?

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I know that Chiang Kai Shek ran away to Taiwan to continue the reactionary policies of the ROC. Although I admit that I don’t know as much about Taiwan and their connection with China as I would like. Has Taiwan always been a part of China? Do leftists in Taiwan care to join China or make their own communist state? Or is Taiwan independence mostly astroturfed? Sorry that I have so many questions, I want to learn more and searching for answers about Taiwan (especially about hypothetical independence scenarios) brings up “China, yay, 4000 years of history… Before IT , the unspeakable, happened!” Ok I’m exaggerating a bit lol but yk what I mean. Any answers are more than appreciated🫂🤗

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I've saddly been reading too much socdem stuff and they keep doing their old "this is worse than capitalism, this is feudalism" bit, and I got curious if some proper theorist has written something about this discussion in the past. Any tips?

I'm getting tired of grumbling "capitalism is when factory, feudalism is when rent."

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You can do that right now in every modern socialist country, but what about the USSR and the Warsaw Pact? And any future socialist and communist experiment(s)?

By self-employment, I'm indeed referring to running your own business, but I'm referring to a sole proprietorship or freelancing, not your typical business where other workers are exploited for the benefit of the owner.

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I enjoyed Cheng Enfu's "China's Economic Dialectic" and now was looking to read more books written/edited by him. One of the books I found interesting was "Delving into the Issues of the Chinese Economy and the World by Marxist Economists":

The book includes 30 articles divided into 4 parts: basic principles of Marxist economics; contemporary socialist economy in China, contemporary capitalist economy and comparative studies on Marxist economics and Western economics. All authors are prominent Chinese Marxist economists.

This book, under the chief editorship of Prof. Cheng Enfu, is one of the results of the discipline construction and theoretical research of the Marxist Theory implemented by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), and is one from the book series The Discipline Construction and Theoretical Research of the Marxist Theory. This book mainly contains the representative and high-level articles on Marxist economics published nationwide in 2013, which are the representative, cutting-edge and authoritative results of current theoretical research in China on Marxism.

I haven't seen much (if any) discussion about this book. Has anyone read it? If so what's your opinion on it? Is it worth the read?

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There is this misconception that all chinese are terribly paid, principally in the manufacturing sector, with stories ranging from slave to terribly paid to child labor. Could someone share a scientific article (so I can share sources and read more about the subject)?

I have to admit that I have barely no knowledge on the matter other than anecdotal evidence.

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I heard that he was ousted by the CIA after not supporting the Vietnam war, is there anything else to him though?

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Today in 1990, the German Democratic Republic was annexed by the Federal Republic of Germany. The reunification marked the beginning of a neoliberal disaster for East German workers as the West German elite began plundering the East.

The GDR, located in the eastern part of the country, identified itself as a “workers and peasants state” until 1990, when it was dismantled and transformed into a neoliberal experiment, primarily influenced by economist Hans Willgerodt.

Willgerodt advocated for deregulation and favored letting the integration of the GDR into the capitalist West German state unfold through “the market.” The GDR constitution and currency were abolished, while the Treuhand law of June 1990 contained a directive in its first paragraph: “Privatize the people’s owned property.”

In 1989, state-owned companies employed nearly 80% of all GDR citizens, and the unemployment rate was 0%. By 1994, approximately three-quarters of those jobs had been lost as the “free” market took over these state-owned companies.

Widespread unemployment ensued, and the authorities purged the GDR’s academic, research, and scientific institutions. About 50% of professionals with ties to the workers’ state lost their jobs, as Eastern Germany suffered from the highest professional unemployment globally.

The capitalist takeover of the former state-owned companies and the looming threat of unemployment triggered significant protests. Four years after the GDR’s demise, Eastern Germany’s industrial production had plummeted by 52% compared to 1989, and unemployment was twice as high as in the former West Germany.

More than three decades after reunification, an inquiry by the German “Left party” reveals that the average household in Western Germany is over twice as wealthy compared to the average household in Eastern Germany. Additionally, individuals in Western Germany earn approximately €997 more per month than their counterparts in the East.

Source: @redstreamnet YouTube channel

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please bare with me here, as i'm pretty uneducated on this topic. but, i've seen some articles and sources on iran that talk about imperialism in syria (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cpU9U9fe1zC2t_SIHv1Sb1niE--IyqCKd_RLHQ0df7g/edit). some stuff talking about russian intervention in syria (https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Yhpv-4JZC8a0TwYukPkXx99WJ2JEvKj9iiacvIy07o/edit). and this drive overall just anti-assad and anti-syria: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qPj2stbfacp4G7lCJ6g_ddw1iwSy1g9N

i know the stuff about gas attacks aren't true, but i just want a marxist pov on this.

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Primarily for those who don't already have a discussion group, but anyone interested in Marxist-Leninist theory is welcome 👍

It won't require intensive reading/listening; it should be doable for anyone who works or studies full time, and we usually have discussions at the end of every other week. We're currently following a study plan from China, but we can add recommended texts (decided by vote). At the time of writing we're reading "Wage Labour and Capital" but I'm not going to remember to update this post

You can join the group at #reading-group:genzedong.xyz (an encrypted room) through the GenZedong Matrix space (see this post). There'll also be a pinned post in this community for the current text, for those who don't want to join the Matrix space.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1482955

Ideally something covering at least the time leading up to the revolution up until now. I'm skeptical of Western accounts, and I'm having trouble finding leftist reviews of books like "The Search for Modern China" to show that they're not full of propaganda.

Any suggestions?

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A hilarious read from a Yankee publication that is suprised and flabbergasted at how China's "authoritarian regime" seems to be more democratic, enjoy more public support and deliver better results than the much vaunted "western style liberal democracies".

Here are some gems from this article:

"While analyzing the esric data, I found something very interesting and unexpected. [...] the majority of urban residents in October 1988 (54 percent) thought that market reform was going “too fast,” [...]. In the meantime, public demand for liberal democratic ideas such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press never surpassed 33 percent, even in May 1989.

[...] Putting these findings together, what the esric surveys reveal is that the Tiananmen Square protest was by nature an anti-reform movement when urban residents panicked about the negative consequences of marketization. In a miracle of miracles, if there were free elections, the conservative anti-reform candidates probably would have won, and China would have returned to the centrally planned system where urban residents enjoyed a cradle-to-grave social safety net. This paints a very different picture from the Western media’s coverage of the Tiananmen protest."

"One of the most consistent findings in the Chinese public opinion surveys is the high level of regime support. Chinese survey respondents have shown strong positive feelings toward their government no matter how survey questions are worded [...]. For example, [...] when respondents in different countries were asked how much confidence they had in their country’s political institutions, China stood out by showing the highest levels of institutional trust among the selected countries, including both new and established democracies. [...] Even after discounting for the political sensitivity effect, regime support in China is still among the highest in the world, higher than in many democracies."

"The third “surprise” in the Chinese public opinion surveys is the high level of interpersonal trust. [...] For example, 60 percent of the Chinese respondents [...] agreed that most people could be trusted, ranking the second highest in the world [...] and much higher than many democracies such as the United States, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, in which only some 30 percent of citizens expressed trust in each other. This finding is counterintuitive because it conflicts with the traditional theory of democracy, which tends to make interpersonal trust and social capital a precondition for the successful functioning of democracy.

[...] Instead, community-based trust turned out to be most closely related to general trust in China, and it has a positive effect on regime support in multivariate regression analysis when other factors are controlled. The abundance of social capital despite the lack of democracy seems to make China a significant outlier in the existing theory of civic culture and democracy."

"The fourth “surprise” in the Chinese public opinion surveys is the high level of political activism. [...] On the surface, political activism seems to contradict regime support, as the former brings out public political contention against the regime in the conventional belief. Yet, what is remarkable is that in survey data such as the Chinese General Social Survey, trusting the central government makes people protest more. In other words, central government supporters and the protestors are the same people."

"The fifth “surprise” is the high level of government responsiveness. For example, [...] in 2008, 78 percent of mainland Chinese respondents agreed that their government would respond to what people needed. In contrast, only 36 percent of Taiwanese respondents agreed with the same statement in the same survey. The percentages are even worse in other East Asian democracies that copied the Western liberal democratic system, including Japan (33%), the Philippines (33%), Mongolia (25%), and South Korea (21%).

[...] Existing studies typically attribute the high level of government support to three things: economic growth, media control, and cultural values. [...] Yet when these three factors are compared with government responsiveness in the same regression model, the latter continues to show the strongest impact in promoting regime support."

One of the most common challenges to the perceived high level of government responsiveness goes like this: the Chinese live in an unfree society so that they have extremely low expectations about what their government can do for them. [...] But this view needs to present real evidence that democratic citizens hold higher expectations of their governments than authoritarian citizens. In fact, the high level of public political activism discussed above suggests that Chinese citizens may have high expectations, and that they do not hesitate to challenge their government when they perceive any mistreatment by its officials.

[...] Another even more provocative explanation of the above finding is that the Chinese authoritarian government is actually more responsive to the public than a democratically elected government such as in Taiwan."

Huh, almost as if it is the PRC that is the real democracy...

And finally we have this recognition:

"The information explosion based on public opinion surveys in China in the past thirty years has left a few cracks in the empirical foundation of some of the classic theories of political science that were first developed in the West with limited firsthand evidence. [...] China stands out as an outlier and does not fit the theoretical predictions of Western political science.

[...] The problem of measurement error is not only limited to China. In fact, when comparing the subjective feelings in public opinion surveys with the “objective” measures of democracy in the rankings assigned by Polity and Freedom House, public opinions throughout the world show a negative correlation with the democracy rankings."

So China is not the only outlier? Hm...I wonder why it is that "western political science" fails so catastrophically when confronted with reality...

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A tiktok came up about anarchism and a bunch of the comments were telling people to read Cindy Milstein’s work. I’ve seen posts on here about anarchism and the literature but I haven’t seen any about Cindy Milstein and was hoping to learn more.

Here is the tiktok for reference. I don’t follow this person but I have seen and liked their videos about “leftists vs liberals.” There were other authors mentioned but Milstein seemed to come up the most. If you have any information on her or even the anarchism talked about in the video please share.

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Seriously, they've been talking about it a lot. It should've been treated like some minor event, but it's been talked about more often than that.

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