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Sorry, my solidarity is reserved for states who DON'T support the genocide in Gaza

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[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

As others said before it is HIGHLY unlikely to happen....but if the US seriously would invade Canada I would at the very least give critical support to Canada. It would be another mark against the US on the Worldstage if the US invaded or even peacefully annexed one of its closest allies. It would make even NAFO dogs uneasy if that happened. Now this is not me saying it would be good if it happened...but if it happened I feel like it could increase the instability of the Western block by a lot.

capybara-fancy My 2cents as an Armchair historian

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let's be real, there's a 0% chance of either and what ends up happening politically will be bad but still completely distinct from the rhetoric.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember when Trump winning was a 0% chance, I can see Trump getting a kind of North American Union thing in place of full annexation, some kind of supped up Scotland but more independent

Anti-climatic but more likely than invasion

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe they'll call it the Organization of North American Nations.

[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

I’d cross the border and start the québécois liberation front. take advantage of the instability and direct that independent sentiment towards some revolutionary peoples’ war

[–] transnationalmaoist@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"I'm an anti-imperialist socialist! Oh except for when the target of imperialism is a country I don't like"

For fucks sake is this the state of western leftist discourse now? Honestly it's not too far from the "I want to support Gaza, but the Moooozlims there are anti-LGBT so yeah...." shit that liberals say.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Canada is not a socialist state, Canada is not a former colony with a national liberation government, Canada is an imperialist power (oppressed indigenous population notwithstanding) and as such the Revolutionary Defeatist principle holds real firm

There can't be any defense of Canada for the simple reason the "legitimate government" will become quisling the moment any real force is applied by the United States, and what's the alternative framework? Fight to the last Canadian? Or god help us, Fight to the last First National? You want to copy the Ukraine model of "solidarity"?

The criteria of critical support or support in general isn't based on a person's idiosyncratic ideas of what nations they happen to like or dislike, it's based on a nation's relationship with global imperialism and sorry, but Canada is firmly embedded in the heart of imperialism and as a result we move from critical support to defeatism

Now if an indigenous and general socialist resistance movement develops as a result of the imperialist struggle, THEN we can talk about support, critical or otherwise

[–] PaX@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

What happens when the imperial partner of an imperialist power becomes a target of that imperial power? Canada only gets to do imperialism in the context of the Americans letting them and helping them do it. They don't have the independent military or financial power to do independent imperial adventures

No one is cheering when other non-socialist states have even vestigial sovereignty stripped away (at least they shouldn't be), even if they may be complicit in imperialism themselves by cooperation with imperial powers and regardless of that and the above, this isn't like an inter-imperialist conflict cuz this isn't about the division of the some parts of the world and other countries between the conflicting powers, this is about the country of Canada itself coming under the complete control of the US without any imperial-partner conditions. This is why I think the relationship of Canada to imperialism will have changed if this happens (unlikely anyway)

And cuz it's about this relationship (we both agree on this), even a reactionary force can become a revolutionary one in the context of an anti-imperialist struggle. Yeah, it's a settler-colonial country, but is there any outcome where American control doesn't make shit even worse for indigenous peoples? Every concession won will have to be won again from the Americans (without even considering the possible involvement of American military forces)

Now if an indigenous and general socialist resistance movement develops as a result of the imperialist struggle, THEN we can talk about support, critical or otherwise

This is exactly the problem, that your anti-imperialism is conditional and until any (hypothetical) national resistance struggle meets your criteria, you effectively have the position of any other imperialist chauvinist, just couched in the language of online leftism kkkanada qin-shi-huangdi-fireball but the fireballs are American bombs I guess

Omg, I hate this argument, this is so silly. Cuz tbh, the settler Canadian government doesn't have the juice to resist this shit anyway if it gets real, probably the only good and possible outcome of any effective resistance to this hypothetical unlikely thing is an indigenous and (fuckin hopefully, if the settler-leftists will go for it I guess) general socialist resistance movement

Idk, in summary...... were the Chinese communists wrong for working with Chiang Kai-Shek in the anti-Japanese war? I'm not saying uncritical support or smth but what does anyone gain besides the imperialists from the total subjection of imperialist partners besides some kind of misanthropic glee? It only increases the amount of resources the Great Satan has under its direct control and forfeits the opportunity to work inside and with the resistance forces to gain control over the outcome and political character of those resistance forces

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[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Well I for one look forward to my future being the kneeling guy in the Fallout intro

Greenland, on its own, however, long live!

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

The parable of the sower has a fascist US president declare war on Canada

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

sit-back-and-enjoy

But also :nothing-ever-happens:

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

no worries, not even the right wing Canadian party is going to defend their nation

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the right wing Canadian party

so all of them?

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago
[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“And you! Friendless. Brainless. Helpless! Hopeless! Do you want me to send you back to where you were? Unemployed? In Greenland!” - Grand Nagus Zek

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Second Whiskey War with American flags swapping out Danish and Canadian ones on Hans Island

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Critical support to the United States for wiping the settler kkkolonial state of KKKlanada off the map.

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