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[–] KurtDunniehue@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (35 children)

She's supporting the Ukrainians tho.

Are you actually saying that they did all this to themselves? That's what the Russian state has been saying without credible proof.

Edit: I'd like to see where you got your info.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

To themselves??? None of those were theirs.

Nordstream is Russian-German, not Ukrainian. Sabotaged obviously by USA, though USA claim Ukraine did it. <- note this shit, how they are wriggling themselves as pretzels and Greta is standing between them, supporting both possible perpetrators of that huge multitiered ecological catastrophe.

Kakhovka dam is on territory annexed by Russia and is very important strategic asset for Russia since it protects mainly Russian side and supplies Crimea with water, which is huge problem and was one of the main reasons Russians taken it. Also Ukraine previously already attacked it and they were freely admitting to WaPo they have a plan to blowing it. Also it wouldn't be even first dam blown up by them.

Power plant is also occupied by Russians which had to shut it down because Ukraine was shelling it. Unless you believe the UA info that Russian artilery shelled literally themselves.

Uranium shells are supplied to Ukraine by UK. They will use it in Ukraine, so i guess this is what they do to themselves, it's their kids who gonna be born with plethora of problems. Alternatively, they might bombard Donetsk with it i guess, they are under no illusion this city is theirs and they are routineley showering civilian objests and infrastructure there with cluster mines, and other supposedly rare munitions (weird how they beg around the world for it and then use it on pointless attacks on civilians).

it seem it is you who argue that Russia don't even need an enemy because for some reason they keep attacking and sabotaging themselves all the time.

[–] KurtDunniehue@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

What I'm hearing is a tonne of supposition without backed up facts and hard reporting.

I would love to see a link to a news story covering the evidence. Otherwise this sounds like a social media consensus built in a speculation-echo-chamber.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m learning that “speculation echo chamber” is exactly what this instance is. Although “Russian propaganda repeater” might be more accurate as they don’t invent these narratives on their own.

[–] KurtDunniehue@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago

In order of my google search's results.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4043221-ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse-theories/

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-says-russia-admits-blowing-up-nova-kakhovka-dam-call-intercepted/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65818705

Most of these articles admit that it is kind of impossible to know for sure in the middle of a warzone. It's as likely that it collapsed due to lack of proper maintenance in the middle of a war.

What's your source?

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