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[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (19 children)

Y'know, I had a moment of reflection while reading some of the impressions people had about Space Marine 2. Found one specifically praising it because "it has no wokeness."

I don't get it... I mean, this setting is clearly a dystopian sci-fi horror where pretty much everyone is either an asshole, or cannon fodder, right? What the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c'mon...the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore... it's 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?

It's one of those situations when one realises they like the same thing a lot of very unpleasant people like. And even though the reasons for liking said thing are diametrical opposites, it still leaves one with that sort of... icky feeling... Speaking personally, I almost feel guilty for loving 40k when seeing how a lot of assholes genuinely simp for Big E's Genocidal Utopia...

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

What the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c’mon…the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore… it’s 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?

Approaching it from the opposite direction, 40k is supposed to be a dystopia, why would you want gender equality and all that nice stuff in a dystopia, unless you thought it was dystopian?

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have a single, objective reason: narrative integrity. To expand upon this, the more varied the people who are utterly suffering, the more it underlines and amplifies that suffering and the context which generates it. That should be enough even just from a literary perspective.

Also, edit to add: the dystopia in 40k isn't concerned with who you are, just that you accept full servitude to the Imperium. I honestly couldn't see most Black Ship attendants hating a trans psyker any more than a cis one. Nor would the Astra Militarum ever turn its nose on fodder just because one uses different pronouns.

And that's exactly the point! Let it be a fully inclusionary dystopia! Let the Imperium's complete and utter disregard for a person's individuality oppress everyone. This dystopia is literally religious cyberpunk, where they've replaced The Corporation with The Religion. And Big E didn't care who or what you were as long as you obeyed orders, that is clear throughout all existing doctrines across the Imperium's infrastructure. Everyone is meat.

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