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[–] dartos@reddthat.com -5 points 1 year ago (50 children)

I may be wrong, but I don’t see socialism and capitalism as hard opposites.

I see capitalism and communism are like hard opposites with socialism somewhere in between.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (37 children)

Capitalism is the state controlled by the capital owners with the workers repressed.

Socialism is the state controlled by the workers with the capital owners repressed.

They are literally hard opposites. One is a bourgeoise-state and the other is a proletarian-state.

[–] dartos@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (31 children)

I learned that “capitalism” is an economic system, not a system of government.

So you could have a socialist state that funds essentials like healthcare and transportation through taxes with a market (capitalist) economy.

[–] drlecompte@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Amazed that I had to scroll down this far to read this. Capitalism does not magically create a fair society through the creation of value (which seems to be what its proponents keep saying: investors generating economic activity and wealth). But similarly you could have a socialist economic system, with no real democracy. Which, as we've seen, devolves into a corrupt oligarchy. We've seemingly lost this perspective in the decades since WWII, but a solid representative parliamentary democracy and separation of powers are the best way to create and maintain a fair society. It requires some other conditions too, like good education, free press, etc. but the core is a system where power is distributed and temporary, depending on democratic processes (elections). This democratic legitimacy is what we should be defending at all costs, imho. It's not sexy, though.

[–] Chapo0114@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

As opposed to the corrupt oligarchies liberal states are.... I guess you just don't call it corruption when it's working as intended.

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