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This is the ingrained propaganda that is clouding your understanding. Iran always complied (reasonably) with the NPT and seeks peaceful use of nuclear power. Just as Iraq didn't have WMDs. These lies are framing their resistance and defense against imperialist aggression as aggression on their side.
Obviously Iran isn't as nice and democratic, post racist and secular as the USA (/s) but they do have the right to defend themselves. Hezbollah is their tool. The US and Israel has theirs.
I see you aren't engaging most of my comment. That's fine, hopefully it made you think at least.
You can't claim things like "Israel must be wiped off the map" (Iranian source before you continue with the propaganda accusations) and pretend you are enriching uranium over the needed amount for civilian use for peaceful purposes.
No argument here, that's just America doing American things. I'd have Bush and his whole admin at the Hague if it was up to me. Not that Saddam deserved better, but the Iraqi did.
And you're right, Iran has a right to defend themselves. But they aren't defending themselves in this situation. You don't defend yourself by having a proxy invade then another take control of a country so you can have it lob missiles at a third one without endangering yourself.
And again you are victim of racist propaganda in the US. This is a mistranslation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
I could also quote a lot of radical garbage from Bush or other worse nutjobs in the US. Some quote meant for internal consumption inside a country does not represent Iranian foreign policy.
And a lot of liberals, progressives and socialists agree that the fascist Israeli apartheid regime needs to be ended and stop oppressing the human beings in the territories they occupy and control as basically open air prisons. They need to stop violating international law. They need to stop with their terrorism and crimes against humanity.
Israel is basically a failed state. The only solution now is a 1 state solution for Palestine-Israel after a period of "de-nazification" of Israel.
Again, you really should try to comprehend that other people might have a different viewpoint of the "benevolent terrorism" by the USA and Israel. You probably have a hard time picturing them as human beings with their own thoughts and ideas and loves and families. They see they are suffering at the hands of imperialist terrorist regimes and of course they fight back.
I literally gave you a link from the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, the national iranian broadcaster, whose head is appointed by Khamenei directly. If it is a wrong translation, they were the ones that made it. And by reading your own link, do you really give any presumption of innocence to someone who speaks at a Holocaust Denial Conference??
Plus what internal consumption. If you say out loud "this country should not exist anymore" with a history of threats against that country, you should not get nuclear weapons. You can't justify this because you were speaking to extremist elements inside your country. If anything that's a counterargument.
I don't think the US deserves nuclear weapons either for that matter. Bush is a war criminal like Khameini is and I'd have them trialed decades ago if I had any say about it.
Yes, this is a pretty good example of someone having a different opinion than me. On the contrary of what you say, I can indeed picture you as a human being with your own thoughts and ideas and family that you love. But your opinion is as true as the Catholic Church's (also made of real people) was on heliocentrism.