this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2024
21 points (100.0% liked)

Daystrom Institute

3455 readers
8 users here now

Welcome to Daystrom Institute!

Serious, in-depth discussion about Star Trek from both in-universe and real world perspectives.

Read more about how to comment at Daystrom.

Rules

1. Explain your reasoning

All threads and comments submitted to the Daystrom Institute must contain an explanation of the reasoning put forth.

2. No whinging, jokes, memes, and other shallow content.

This entire community has a “serious tag” on it. Shitposts are encouraged in Risa.

3. Be diplomatic.

Participate in a courteous, objective, and open-minded fashion. Be nice to other posters and the people who make Star Trek. Disagree respectfully and don’t gatekeep.

4. Assume good faith.

Assume good faith. Give other posters the benefit of the doubt, but report them if you genuinely believe they are trolling. Don’t whine about “politics.”

5. Tag spoilers.

Historically Daystrom has not had a spoiler policy, so you may encounter untagged spoilers here. Ultimately, avoiding online discussion until you are caught up is the only certain way to avoid spoilers.

6. Stay on-topic.

Threads must discuss Star Trek. Comments must discuss the topic raised in the original post.

Episode Guides

The /r/DaystromInstitute wiki held a number of popular Star Trek watch guides. We have rehosted them here:

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I think the Vau N'Akat seen in Prodigy have a lot of "biological and technological distinctiveness" to be added to the collective's own. My question is whether or not the Borg could take advantage of the Vau N'Akat's abilities, and whether they'd be all that helpful.

For instance, could assimilated Vau N'Akat use their heirloom powers to manipulate materials in order to pump out at least the shells of Borg Cubes like nobody's business?

I think this depends on how heirloom material actually works and is made. Its utility to the Borg probably depends on whether or not it's a limited resource or actually some sort of alloy that could be constructed anywhere in the galaxy.

In truth, we can't know that, as in the current state of canon Vau N'Akat lore, it's basically just space magic to us. If I had to take a wild guess, I have two theories:

  1. Maybe Vau N'Akat have detachable nanobot-esque cells that communicate with the brain over an electromagnatic signal, allowing the quick assembly of structures at a relatively precise level, especially with the one specific material. (Perhaps all that blue dust stuff that happens at death are these cells freaking out as communication ceases and, for lack of orders, devouring the body.)
  2. The Vau N'Akat have organs that essentially very precisely accelerate exchange particles. (This theory makes the above one seem comparatively more plausible.)

Another question is whether or not Vau N'Akat drones could use all that "your will is mine" stuff to aid the assimilation of other Vau N'Akat and/or create one super drone.

Going with theory 1, maybe the "Your will is mine" stuff is actually a weak ability to lend extra cells to the desired person that builds up when a lot of people are doing it, strengthening healing and immune responses as well as any use of that person's detached cells, thus explaining that whole scene.

If this is the mechanic by which it works (and assimilation doesn't somehow bork the mental facilities for this), this could be a very powerful ability for the Borg. It almost sounds too powerful, as those cells could be used as essentially an assimilation virus or a bioweapon, which I think would break the balance of power in the ST universe in a way that I think writers really wouldn't want to.

Overall, as I have said before, just as I find it very fun to try to theorize how the Vau N'Akat work, I also find it very difficult due to both its status as a very new species and their general uniqueness (almost un-Trekiness, not to insult them) as a species. I do think Prodigy does some good things with the Vau N'Akat, and it's nice to have a species that's a bit more than just forehead ridges and a fatal flaw (if they even bother with the forehead ridges - looking at you, Betazoids). However, similar to some of the complaints with Prodigy in general, I can't deny that the space magic aspect feels more Star Wars than I can say I like in Star Trek.

So, what are your thoughts?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I actually don't mind the space-magic aspects, but I'm also more of a fan of TOS, which leaned into the whole mysticism and space magic more than a lot of the later shows. Not everything has to have a scientific explanation, or at least, not one known to the Federation/viewer. We don't know how Q abilities work, for example.

Honestly, I'm not sure that the Borg would really take advantage of their abilities. For all their claims about collective technological and biological distinctiveness, we've yet to see the Borg actually make use of any of it, besides some vague lip service about suitability of purpose.

We don't see Borg drones from telepathic species use their telepathic abilities as communication, or weaponise those abilities, for example. They mostly just use their tech and brute force.

It is equally possible that there might be a metaphysical aspect to the abilities of the Vau N'Akat that the Borg are unable to tap, similar to the abilities of the travellers, which also don't have a replicable technological basis. If the Borg could do that, they would have expanded well outside of Earth in First Contact, given that Wesley once created and created access points to and from a whole universe.

[–] lizard-socks@pandacap.azurewebsites.net 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's a good point about the Borg not using telepathy, etc. Perhaps the large mass of existing Borg have a bias towards the usefulness of such abilities that the collective, when acting as one mind, is not really able to self-interrogate? If so, that could be considered one of their major weaknesses.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've always thought about how many beings with one belief would the Borg need to assimilate to see a great effect. For instance, if the Borg assimilated trillions of Ferengi (however that happened), would the Borg start suddenly trying to seek out profit?

"We are the Borg. Your biological, technological, and financial distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is not profitable!"

[–] amandalibris@nrw.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@data1701d No, the Borg Collective does not need any kind of trade, money, finance. They don't need abstract concepts of any believe for their kind of life.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

In their normal state, yes. What I’m saying is in theory, if enough of one species were assimilated, could that be changed?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)