This isn't my effort post so it might be against the rules. I'm just linking and copying two posts from subreddits that have compiled all that has happened over the past week.
First, here's a thread of all recent H3 controversies, sorted by date. There is a lot in there, so I'll be copying the ones related to this topic.
October 15th
Ethan says 100% of the Jews he knows are struggling after Oct 7th and says Zionist is a slur
Ethan posts about defending "antisemitic terrorists"
October 16th
Ethan makes a video dedicated to canceling and de-platforming Hasan Piker, admits he wants to deplatform Hasan on Twitch for "interviewing a terrorist", and shows an unlisted clip of Hasan titled "HamasAbi"
October 17th
Hasan says Ethan is too focused on his personal feelings and calls him self-centered
Ethan calls Hasan's stream "vile embarrassing trash"
October 19th
Ethan posts video titled, "Twitch has a major problem"
Frogan provides context for the "Habbibi pass" tier list - A bunch of Arab streamers made a tier list on who had the Habbibi pass, the controversy was around the lowest tier which was titled ' Loves Sabra' i.e. likes Sabra hummus. Ethan claims this is antisemitic and a dog-whistle about Jewish people.
Ethan posts about Yahya Sinwar
October 20th
Frogan responds to Ethan's claims around hummus/"Loves Sabra"
Hasan debunks the Hummus/Sabra debate, says it's NOT antisemitism
October 21st
H3 Podcast covers Twitch, Frogan and antisemitism, says Twitch CEO Dan Clancy must resign and puts Nazi Symbols on Twitch CEO in his YouTube thumbnail
He successfully gets the Arab streamers banned off Twitch.
October 22nd
Ethan posts video titled 'I Won't Let Hasan Piker Lie About Me To His Audience, then lies about not knowing Destiny, says the Left is eating itself
Ethan claims he "conceded" on far-left ideals such as letting the Palestinians have a state
October 23rd
Hasan calls Ethan Islamophobic
Ethan makes an instagram story about nmplol
Hasan says Rashid is not a terrorist, just like Hila is not a terrorist
Hila admitted to raiding homes in Ramallah and move from her assigned desk job into combat roles because she was “bored”. BadEmpanada HAS MADE a video titled 'Hila Klein is a Terrorist' due to her time in the IDF where she asked to be transferred to the Israeli-occupied West Bank, performed logistical duties for the IDF terrorist organization, and volunteered to tag along during an IDF terrorist attack against a Palestinian house in Ramallah.
Ethan targets Emma from Majority Report - LINK 1, LINK 2, LINK 3, LINK 4
Second, here is a thread correcting the misinformation Ethan spread about Hasan
Reading through the synopsis made me realize I am past the point in life where I find interest in this type of drama.
2 unemployed rich dudes calling each other the bigger hitler is wildly unhinged to me.
I appreciate Hasan’s stances and views and enjoyed his streams a lot earlier in the pandemic. Recently tho I’m getting hung up on the feeling that he is part of the grifter class to some extent. Ethan on the other hand seems to be 100% ingrained in the grifter class and I never really liked him. Hasan is at least still likable.
The problem is that with his whole 2.5M house shit, is that whilst he technically didn't exploit anyone to ultimately get that money, he doesn't exactly seem to use it on anything relating to his principles either. He makes the money off criticizing western capitalism and imperialism, only to buy house and fashion which ultimately reinforces that same capitalism and imperialism. It isn't technically wrong, but it's just a bad look. Basically the same way that you would know, if you follow bball, how having the last possession in a game in which you beat your opponent handily and are still trying to score is bad and disrespectful thing. It's not against the rules, but it is something called an "unwritten" rule, and people will get mad that you didn't respect that.
My problem with Fidel Castro is that hes a well of lawyer, and while he technically isn't exploiting anyone to get that money he doesn't exactly do anything relating to his principals with it either. What, a failed electoral campaign is all he has to show for it? He's not even a real socialist.
My problem with Mao Zedong is that hes the son of an affluent grain merchant...
Wait hold on...
My problem with... Che is that hes a well paid... Doctor... Uuuhhh,..
My problem with Lenin... Is has... A middle class lawyer
MY PROBLEM WITH ENGELS IS THAT HES A WEALTHY FACTORY OWNER
Fidel had two Rolex watches at the same time!?!
Listen. This is mostly a goof, but you're literally making the same reactionary argument chuds make about all kinds of socialists.
The guy donates, he fundraises, he takes the stream to rallies and strikes, he talks to protesters, he uses union shops for his stupid merch, he houses his brother, father, and mother in his home, , paid for his brothers student loans, all his business ventures are organized as cooperatives, he doesn't enforce IP law on fan channels clipping and shipping his content. He's no Castro, but like I said, Castro had two Rolex watches 😱.
I really don't get where you're going with this whole argument. All of those guys either worked working class jobs and/or literally became legendary revolutionary leaders. Even Engels wrote works that are still being analysed to this day. Hasan isn't even on track to do any of that, let alone close to actually becoming it. I'd be glad to eat my own words and be wrong about him, with him in a 100 years being looked as some important figure of american socialism lol. You certainly can't compare the kind of money today's doctors or lawyers have in general vs. someone like Hasan, who just off his twitch contract has millions. Not to mention that his platform is a lot bigger than any of those guys had early on.
And in terms of two of Castro rolex watches, a guy in the same thread you linked points out that that watch was much cheaper back then, about 2k in todays money. Not little, but certainly not a whole lot either. Also, apparently these watches were some of the most accurate of their time, explaining why he has two and one of them is set to Moscow time. Not to mention he was literally a state official of a socialist country. Literally an excerpt from wikipedia
I mean, all his content is literally reacting to videos and news lmao. It would be pretty hypocritical if he did, since he doesn't exactly abide by it most of the time anyway lol.
It's funny, because I'm honestly not arguing that he's some kind of grifter. I like him, I just feel like he still has certain issues that don't hurt to be pointed out. It just feels like he's not actually doing anything to differentiate him from any other progressive lib. I mean, fucking ludwig sold his company to his workers to become a coop, which doesn't make him some revolutionary. I'd say someone like the guys from boy boy are doing much better in terms of covering various aspects of capitalism and bringing attention to exploitation some of us didn't even was happening. Even fucking JT from Second Thought had homeland security knock on his door.
I'm just going to reiterate this. I'm not saying he's a revolutionary, but what I am saying is your critiques centered around his wealth and his engagement in consumerism echo fairly common anti-communist sentiments that have been levied against actual revolutionaries and revolutionary thinkers. It also treads close to the shores of
type critique.
I view Hasan as the stoop before the door. He engages with JT, BoyBoy, The Deprogram, (and more) who do more to highlight, dissect, and explain both the horrors of capitalism, and the political theory to understand those horrors. It's hard to say if I would have found my way to JT, BoyBoy, or The Deprogram if I hadn't first landed on Hasan's stream several years ago. I could have just as easily landed on the streams of Destiny or Vaush and become more reactionary instead of less reactionary. Hasan's position within the Internet's leftist activation pipeline lays in the front, and I think because of that, it's almost required that he sits closer to a "progressive lib" than an out and about Marxist-Leninist like JT Chapman. You're not going to onboard disillusioned progressives onto the leftist train by jumping straight into the deep end of leftist political theory. You have to disarm their anti-communist world view first, which is something I think Hasan is fully capable of doing, and has done for plenty of people.
This is something I'm sure you already know, so I'm moreso laying it out for others who might read this comment. You need an onramp for people, and I think Hasan performs that role. I'm not concerned with how big his house is, how fancy his car is, how expensive his stupid Hawaiian shirts are, so long as he continues to disarm people's anti-communist world view.