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[-] bagend@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Can you give an example of a 'non-authoritarian government'?

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago

All governments are inherently authoritarian by their nature, but there's a scale and I think in most people's minds there's a line.

The line is probably drawn where people are prosecuted or even killed when they publicly criticise the ruling regime, where you have to "escape" to simply leave, where there's a culture of fear that your neighbour or friends or even family could report you for disagreeing with the government. More often than not there's no way for the public to change the government through democratic means.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Ok, but if that's the case, why are we drawing a line at a nation's internal population and disregarding their external policies? The USA killed three million people in the War in Iraq, including Iraqis who were very critical of the American presence. The USA has assassinated Latin American presidents for speaking out against the USA and replaced them with more America-friendly dictators. And yet everyone who talks about authoritarianism doesn't include western nations in their discussion, they instead make up a cartoon idea of what countries outside the west are like. Your definition of what is or isn't tankie/authoritarian has some kind of nationalist bias built into it.

Every time someone describes what authoritarianism is, it makes me think that America and the EU are the worst perpetrators of this behavior, but they mainly export all their violence rather than use the worst of it domestically. Domestically they use private sector means to distribute violence, such as poverty, prisons, and the facilitation of ambient racism.

This reminds me of the dividing line that liberals use, which is when they say things like "that dictator killed HIS OWN PEOPLE." As if killing people externally is more excusable crime?

[-] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

And even with lib logic, the US kills its own people who speak out against the government.

See Fred Hampton, the suspicious number of Ferguson protest leaders who have since died in strange ways, etc.

Unless there’s a certain criteria which determines who are your own people… us-foreign-policy

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