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https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/

"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (34 children)

People that are in favor of legal censorship of political speech make the mistake of assuming that the laws will always be applied to censor the speech that they find objectionable or harmful.. As soon as you start allowing the gov't to determine what speech is and is not acceptable, that power will be used to oppress whatever the currently disfavored group is. The words themselves are not the harm; it's the actions that can arise from the words.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'll defend the right for anyone to speak their mind, but I'll allow the masses to take their pound of flesh when their mind is filled with hate and bile.

just because you can speak your mind doesn't absolve you of the consequences of doing so.

[–] kodomo@lemm.ee 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'll defend the right for anyone to speak their mind, but I'll allow the masses to take their pound of flesh

This is a contradiction. Something isn't a right if you allow open season for others to actively target and suppress.

Otherwise, Stalinism is also technically "free speech": you can say whatever you want, but there will be consequences.

Be clear about what you mean.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

It's actually perfectly simple and not contradictory as long as you don't conflate basic rights and absolute impunity.

Having the right to say something abhorrent without the government punishing you for it ≠ having the privilege to say whatever you want and face no consequences.

Conflating the two to the point of censoring dissent is how fascism, anarcho-capitalism, Stalinism, and other inherently abusive ideologies that look attractive to some when not closely examined take root and thrive.

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