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What the title says. I think there is still a long way for that to happen but i've been hopeful. What do you think?

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[–] scottlowe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I don’t know a lot about lemmy.world, but it seems to be running on “a server”. The person that wrote this may have used it as a simpler way to mean “the overall infrastructure that runs lemmy”.

However, if it really is “a server”, there will eventually be a breaking point where continuing to scale gets a lot harder, more complex, and more expensive. A lot of people don’t really understand that a site like Reddit has a massive infrastructure as its foundation. That’s how it can handle millions of connections, billions of comments, and stay - more or less - available.

It’s expensive to run.

Lemmy can’t ever hope to replace Reddit without some kind of significant investment in infrastructure and possibly development. If the code isn’t written to support scaling out (as opposed to scaling up and just throwing more RAM, CPU, and storage at a single system), it can’t replace Reddit.

That’s not to say that I’m not loving Lemmy. I do. I have barely opened Reddit since Friday after apollo died. At some point, though, money will become a factor here as well.

[–] astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I suspect/hope most of reddits infra costs mostly come from massive processes they run to consume and correlate user data into sellable data, or the massive moderator tools using full-text search they probably use to hunt down undesirables.

I feel like just serving up text based information shouldn't be that intensive if done right. But I definitely don't have the experience to say so for a program handling millions of requests.

[–] scottlowe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even “just text” as a sufficient scale introduces significant technical challenges. I’m sure some of Reddit’s resources go to deal with ads and some scraping of user data, but even just the basic user experience at the scale of Reddit takes thousands of servers… and that was back in 2018 when Reddit’s infrastructure team did an AMA. I’m sure it’s grown substantially since then.

Back then, on average, Reddit was sending out 32 gigabytes per second to support all of the users connecting. That text, at Reddit scale, becomes incredibly substantial.

And as you grow beyond single server capability, you get into clusters, load balancing, availability, consistency, and all kinds of other things that pop up to make a single application like Reddit operate at the scale it does.

[–] astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

Very insightful, thanks

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