~~Remove Brave~~
~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
~~Add GrapheneOS~~
Maybe add Delta chat
~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
~~Add aurora~~
~~Add SearxNG~~
Add SimpleX
Add lichess
Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From	To	Compromise
X, Threads	Mastodon	Bluesky
Instagram	Pixelfed
YouTube	PeerTube	ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit	Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+	🔨 Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom	Jitsi Meet
Google Docs	Etherpad
Google Search	🔨 SearxNG	Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive	Nextcloud	pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud	Immich	Ente
Google Chrome	Librewolf, Firefox	Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps	Element (matrix)	Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa	Home Assistant
Play Store	F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS	LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS	Linux Mint

🔨 = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If everything is e2e encrypted do servers actually matter?

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

yes. Metadata. some protocols leak more info than the others.

Also servers in only one place (institution), only makes it easier for the government to go to that place and seize them.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And what metadata is Signal leaking? As far as I know even their notifications are not sending the message.

The government seizing an entire batch of amazon servers seems unrealistic, but the data would be encrypted anyway. Do they even store messages on servers, anyway?

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And what metadata is Signal leaking?

We don't know. We don't have access to what's running on their servers. (yes i know that the source code is available, but there's no way to check if that's the same thing running on the servers). And this is a problem for me: i have to trust a walled garden.

The government seizing an entire batch of amazon servers seems unrealistic

Usually the government goes there a just takes whatever is in the rack they want. Screw the legal business that are there. That's what happened with the pirate bay raid. If the US government wants to shut it down. It just needs to knock on the amazon door.

the data would be encrypted anyway. Do they even store messages on servers, anyway?

The problem is that you have to trust them. You have to trust a chain of organizations based in the US. Signal pays millions (who pays for this? i have my doubts that monthly donations will pay for this forever) to amazon for the servers. So using them and sending them money is the same as giving money to amazon.

If you are fine with these risks, then use it. Better using signal than using messenger and whatsapp.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We don’t know. We don’t have access to what’s running on their servers.

Aren't they audited, tho?

(yes i know that the source code is available, but there’s no way to check if that’s the same thing running on the servers)

But isn't this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

Usually the government goes there a just takes whatever is in the rack they want.

But if your threat model is the goverment, aren't all services affected as well? If they want to take element's servers, they will. If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

The problem is that you have to trust them.

I feel like in communication apps you're always going to have to rely on trust. Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practices... Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago

But isn’t this true for most services, such as Matrix as well? Nothing assures that a Matrix instance is running the exact code on git.

It's valid for any server. But for signal messaging is even worse than the competitors because it's centralized.

If you selfhost and they want to take your server, they will?

Correct. With signal there's no way to escape the US government, but with matrix (or other federated protocol) you can make it harder, so it won't be worth it the resources spent. You can also host it where the US government don't have any reach.

Even if you self-host in a Swiss server, with the best intentions and security practices… Other people are going to have to trust you. You trust yourself, but others might not.

But who is more trustworthy? The US government or the swiss government?

Also, the point is to avoid american services. Signal is an american service.

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