Welcome! We've got memes on deck at !memes@lemmy.world and if you're a programmer of some kinds we got !programmer_humor@programming.dev to scratch that itch and be sure to drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or if you want SCIENCE and memes head over to the wonderful !science_memes@mander.xyz or if you just want regular SCIENCE mander.xyz is full of sciency comms like !science@mander.xyz and !astronomy@mander.xyz . !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone is also nice this time of year, but you'll have to post before you can leave.

We're not without our cons though, biggest problem we have are probably the Tankies, but here they're mostly on the Tankie Triad lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear. For most instances you only have to worry about .ml, but on Lemmy you can do a personal instance wide block if you'd rather just not deal with them. If you want to see what they get up to from a safe distant check !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (20 children)

Wait. I'm too new to understand the second part of this. What are Tankies? What's up with the .ml instance? Is the meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works like an observatory of .ml shenanigans? Sorry, I'm honestly out of the loop

Edit: interesting responses. Thank you all for your input! :)

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Tankies are authoritarian communists, basically places like Russia and China can do no wrong in their eyes no matter how well supported said fact is. They don't even recognize they nor NK are dictatorships. Basically if you say anything negative about those governments on .ml it'll get removed and you possibly banned

.ml is part of the Triad of instances that they hide out in, the others hex and grad are much more on your face about it, but .ml is more subtle about it tending to just remove non-Tankie view points via mod/admin action and a lot of the official support comms are on there as well because the main devs are also Tankies.

I actually have to use this account to talk about them now to new users now because this accounts instance defed's from them, otherwise they'll just brigade posts and comments about them LMAO my main is @cm0002@lemmy.world

Reddit also has tankies, but there was just so many other users they kinda disappeared into the sea lol

Yea that's what !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is, some of it is serious documentation work, some venting and a couple memes

Sorry to just dump this on you, but encountering a Tankie without warning is rather...jarring lmao

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

Thanks for all the info! This is super interesting!

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

Sorry to just dump this on you, but encountering a Tankie without warning is rather…jarring lmao

try going outside more lmao

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Since you are so knowledgeable about China and North Korea could you explain the structure of their government?

For anyone curious here are two short articles outlining the political structure:

China

North Korea

The Chinese people trust their government and are able to directly shape it's policy and directly elect their representatives

China does have elections, and for genuine representation, no lobbying or canvassing is allowed.

Following the precepts of democratic elections, “In accordance with the principles of universal suffrage, equal rights, multiple candidates, and secret ballot”, deputies to people’s congresses at the township and county levels are elected by the Chinese people.

These representatives, the deputies closest to the public, make up 94% of the national total, and are entrusted with electing the higher-level representatives. The deputies to people’s congresses at the level of townships and counties elect deputies to people’s congresses of cities; they, in turn, elect deputies at the provincial level, who elect deputies at the national level.

From these grassroots onward, in China, it is meritocracy all the way. Decades of practical experience, usually with increasingly large populations, ensures progressively greater competence, as candidates get the top jobs that require such capacity.

Communist Party of China [...] in 2020, when the draft of its 14th Five-Year Plan (from 2021 to 2025) was submitted to public consultation online for the first time. The general public was able to participate in planning its own social and economic development, making more than a million suggestions from August 16 to 29, 2020, from which over 1,000 opinions and suggestions were incorporated.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And there we go, one link direct from the Chinese gov, I'm sure that can be absolutely trusted

And one link from a random substack, not like anyone can start a substack and write anything in it or anything LMAO

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

For someone that is engaging in a logical fallacy of appealing to purity with regard to source, where is your source on the political structure of either country?

The substack has listed sources for the information cited, did you see that? They are historical studies and documentaries produced by third parties. I'm curious if you can even find a western-biased source that disputes the factual description of how China's government is structured as described in the link.

What about the Edelman Trust Barometer?

https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2025-01/2025%20Edelman%20Trust%20Barometer%20Global%20Report_01.23.25.pdf

https://www.edelman.com/about-us

Clearly the people of China trust their government and since you have yet to provide a source explaining how their government is organized we can only go with my source which clearly indicated that there is direct democracy

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Edelman is a global communications firm that partners with businesses and organizations to evolve, promote and protect their brands and reputations.

Sounds like they don't care about the truth, only making whatever their clients want to be "presentable"/accepted and how much they get paid for it.

Clearly the people of China trust their government and since you have yet to provide a source explaining how their government is organized we can only go with my source which clearly indicated that there is direct democracy

And you're operating without understanding the historical reasons for it. For the Chinese people the CCP is leagues better than what came before. What came before the CCP was....quite bad. So from their POV and objectively, yes the CCP is pretty decent for the Chinese people as they would sacrifice things like freedom of speech because of the stability the CCP provides.

But what's good for them does not automatically translate to good for the world, especially in countries where basic human rights have been somewhat enjoyed to varying degrees

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"Better than what became before" is not the same as good. Just saying.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 hours ago

Well yea, but one of the favored line of arguments is the "The CCP has a 95% approval rating!", which is probably true, but there's a good reason for it. And you know I don't blame the Chinese people one bit, if all I and my parents had known was death and famine and an authoritarian government came in and brought stability and prosperity for the first time in generations, id look the other way on a ton of things too

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