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Safe Streets Rebel's protest comes after automatic vehicles were blamed for incidents including crashing into a bus and running over a dog. City officials in June said...

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[-] HedonismB0t@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago

That opinion puts a lot of blind faith in the companies developing self driving and their infinitely altruistic motives.

[-] donalonzo@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

That's one way of strawmanning your way out of a discussion.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not a strawman argument, it is a fact. Without the ability to audit the entire codebase of self-driving cars, there's no way to know if the manufacturer had knowingly hidden something in the code that might have caused accidents and fatalities too numerous to recount, but too important to ignore, that were linked to a fault in self-driving technology.

I was actually trying to find an article I'd read about Tesla's self-driving software reverting to manual control moments before impact, but I was literally flooded by fatality reports.

[-] donalonzo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is most definitely a strawman to frame my comment as considering the companies "infinitely altruistic", no matter what lies behind the strawman. It doesn't refute my statistics but rather tries to make me look like I make an extremely silly argument I'm not making, which is the defintion of a strawman argument.

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The data you cited comes straight from manufacturers, who've repeatedly been shown to lie and cherry-pick their data to intentionally mislead people about driverless car safety.

So no it's not a straw man argument at all to claim that you're putting inordinate faith in manufacturers, because that's exactly what you did. It's actually incredible to me how many of you are so irresponsible that you're not even willing to do basic cross-checking against an industry that is known for blatantly lying about safety issues.

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