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Still being federated with exploding-heads does not mean the instance supports them. But it means that shit-heads are allowed to take part in the discussions on their communities. They do intoxicate the discussions we will have. They will attack minorities. Maybe you will not be harassed by them, more vulnerable people will be. They are allowed to moderate communities on these instances. Exploding-heads members actively guide young and unknowing people to their hateful instance.
They try to start discussions about the holocaust https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268. They create communities only to crosspost exploding-heads content https://lemmy.world/c/pharma They take over discussions against them https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189 "WHY are vulnerable people joining a decentralized system? Isnt this why you want a closed, not for public eyes community?"
This was a link to exploding-heads, because when someone copies a permalink of a comment from them on another instance, it will be a link to their instance.
Are we building a place where vulnerable people are welcome and safe or are we building a place where nazis are welcome and safe?
They want you to block them, they comment that everywhere. They block people who are in favor of defederating them https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 When their opponents won't see them anymore, they can harass and recruit without being noticed.
Blocking will not solve the problem. They will spread even when you close your eyes.
~~Maybe this was not done intentionally, but now~~ there is a post with a list of 'health communities on Lemmy' with the first entry guiding to exploding heads. https://lemmy.world/post/396561
It is still possible that some of the mentioned instances do support them. The owner of sh.itjust.works says that because of “free speech” all other instances would be allowed. It is suspicious to me that his line is drawn only for lemmygrad https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474
The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship, and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said, sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day.
I’d like to also point out that the lemmygrad instance has far more blocked instances than what is currently blocked here. Maybe you can create a post on that instance to see what that’s all about and report back?
At the same time they seem to ignore the call and vote to defederate with exploding-heads https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483.
They rejected to delete The_Donald from sh.itjust.works until they feared to get isolated from the other instances: https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310. They where aware of The_Donald and ignored early warnings. (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248). TD was more important to them than keeping the only mod of their 4th biggest community c/patientgamers (https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747, https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922)
Since The_Donald was removed, I did not find more racist content on the mentioned servers. That is part their tactics. They act harmless but recruit to their instance, attract likeminded people and chase others away. Discussions on sh.itjust.works about such topics are very toxic already, soon they might be able to do more harm.
(My research is very limited, as i could not search for all exploding-heads member content on other instances by entering their domain. I know there are nice communities on sh.itjust.works.)
What can be done? On joinmastodon.org there is a Mastodon Server Covenant with very few useful rules, one of them is "Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia". https://joinmastodon.org/covenant It would be a first step to implement these rules for join-lemmy.org. At least instances that want to be recommended on there should have to agree to that rule.
More actions should be taken now. Please make suggestions. Things will only become more complicated. The next reddit wave is incoming.
For those who did not already know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
This is not the first time new platforms face these problems, do we really have to repeat the same mistakes?
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update: lemmy.word defederated eh
you know you can just block them yourself right? you don't have to force your opinion on everyone. if most people block them they will become just as isolated as if they were defederated anyways.
Why give them a platform and an audience to begin with? They're the scum of the earth. Fuck them.
Specifically, any fascist group is a conspiracy to commit murder. As such, there is no "free speech" reason to tolerate fascist organizing.
Edited to add: Discussion of fascist views is a different matter. I specifically mean people using your stuff to organize fascist groups or activities. If they're trying to rally people into a group that wants to murder Jews or LGBT+ or socialists or liberals, then they're not just discussing views — they're conspiring crimes, and you don't have any good reason to support them under "free speech" principles. Even the libertarians object to "force and fraud".
So, can we extend that to any communist group as well then?
no, conspiracy to commit murder is not an inherent aspect of communist ideology in the same way that it is integral to fascism
How's that? Every time I've pressed a communist about how they will deal with non conformity should their revolution succeed, they eventually agree that the plan is to kill them.
because regardless or anecdotes, a communist ideal does not by definition necessitate a conspiracy to commit murder
even if not a single pacifist communist existed, and they do, itd still be totally possible to be both a pacifist and a communist
in contrast, violence is a fundamental part of what makes fascism fascism. a fascist party will never be pacifistic, because it would no longer be fascist
Come back down to the real world. People don't want communism unless you force them into it under the barrel of a gun. Communism means my individual wants, needs, and property is decided by the will of the people, which in reality translates to the will of a few dozen elite Party members at the top of the scheme. I'm not an ant in a colony.
As someone whose family has been massacred by Stalin's repressions while every single possession was stolen, I'm going to go ahead and not join your cult. Thanks. I bet if it happened again, you'd be cheering in support.
im not a communist and my explaining how violence is not a literal part of the definition for communism as it is with fascism is not proselytism
is that what you were doing? trying to get folks to join your cult of fascism?
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Literally just explained and demonstrated with an example of how communism inevitably requires violence, and that literally every communist would agree, but you just plug your ears and go lalala. Ok buddy.
actually, you distinctly said 'every communist ive pushed far enough', not 'literally every communist'
heres some that dont agree
They just haven't been prodded sufficiently to spill what they really want post-revolution and how exactly they would accomplish it. If kumbaya is their plan, well, it isn't going to succeed.
it sure seems like this is less about communists believing that violence is necessary, and more about you believing violence is necessary
Look, it's really simple.
You can't have communism unless everyone participates, and you can 100% guarantee not everyone will want to participate.
Therefore, either they are forced to participate, or it doesn't happen. There really isn't another option.
being forced to participate in society is called following the laws of the country youre in
am i correctly understanding that you believe that enforcing the law automatically necessitates killing people? thats a pretty scary thing to believe, and in no way indicative of any particular ideology im sure
its also false, considering the continued existence of countries that have abolished the death penalty entirely
on a side note, can you explain why you moved the goal posts from 'communists want to kill everyone' to 'well maybe not all of them but the ones that dont will never succeed' to 'well having laws means killing people'
When the law declares that I have no freedom to choose what I do with my life, no freedom of movement and no private property, that isn't a law I am going to ever accept. So it necessitates violence against me, obviously.
More like, "communists want to force their will upon everyone else which necessitates violence"
Duh? Communism requires property appropriation. How exactly do you steal property without violence?
That's you, not me.
no actually, since the conversation is explicitly about conspiracy to commit murder, arguing that any belief in enforcing participation in society constitutes that is explicitly saying that having laws automatically means killing people
you dont actually get to say 'violence' instead of 'murder' in a conversation about murder, and then pretend that you arent talking about murder
unless this is you admitting that communism is not actually a conspiracy to commit murder, in which case cool i agree!
Ok, “communists want to force their will upon everyone else which necessitates murder”
Are you happy?
To be fair, if you don't conform with the laws in a liberal-democracy, you might eventually get killed too. Ideas like "property lines" and "don't drive on the wrong side of the road" are ultimately backed up by force.
If you go around driving on the left side of the highway in a country where the law says to drive on the right, eventually someone's gonna come stop you and you're lucky if that is somehow peaceful.
But that's a far cry from organizing a movement around "that ethnic group there, that sexual minority over there, and those miscegenators over there, must be exterminated for the purity of our nation".
I think that's just tribalism, not fascism. Merriam-webster defines fascism as:
You need to tick all the boxes to qualify.
Indeed we should. To tired of reading the famous "eat the rich" speech. If you want to eat people, you are just a cannibal
because the power is in your hands? by ignoring them you are removing their influence. you don't pick up your baby every time it starts crying because then they will just start crying to get your attention.