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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 13 points 9 months ago (16 children)

This is so important, and so poorly understood by many people who aren't heavily involved in intersectional discourse. It's what leads to people claiming there's no such thing as privilege because their own experience as a working class white cishet male hasn't been spectacular. And of course this misunderstanding isn't helped by a deliberate attempt to suppression the correct understanding of what privilege means by the right.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 12 points 9 months ago (15 children)

This is going to be a controversial take, but I believe this confusion comes from applying the wrong word to the concept being conveyed. The word "privelege" means to grant an advantage/immunity to an individual above the usual rights/advangates people get. I acknowledge that language evolves and the word privelege can evolve to mean a lack of impediments that some people suffer under. But that sort of evolution usually takes generations.

There's a perspective matter at play as well: If the "baseline" rights and advantages of "usual" are somewhere below what "joe average" white man gets, then Joe isn't average any more. And that's a perspective shift we need the whole population to acknowledge.

Personally, I'm fine with acknowledging that I don't suffer the impediments of race or gender that many people do. I suffered under different impediments though: As a kid I was very small, not really having my teenage growth spurt until after I left school. I was also poor. These impediments, while not related to race or gender were no less real. Growing up, I sure didn't feel priveleged. Does a gay, financially secure black girl feel priveleged? I recognise that today, I am priveleged the way that term is applied in modern discourse. I am also neither short, nor poor any longer. But for all that, I still feel like "joe average".

I can see how telling a white man who is burdened with some sort of impediment that he's "priveleged" because he doesn't suffer under the impediments you suffer is going to be a hard-sell. I believe we'd all be better served with a different word to convey this concept. We already acknowledge that the current term of "privelege" is misinterpreted and misunderstood. I am not smart nor connected enough to come up with a new word and spread it, though.

[–] tess@mastodon.social 4 points 9 months ago (10 children)

@Nath @Zagorath

Oh gosh, I think you just put your finger on something really important at the intersection of a few different parts of the conversation about privilege!

(Pardon me, I'm having a moment.)

There's that anecdote (I wish I had the source!) about how when a white woman looks in the mirror she sees a woman, but when a Black woman looks in the mirror, she sees a Black woman.

...

[–] NilaJones@zeroes.ca 3 points 9 months ago

@tess @Nath @Zagorath

I very much appreciate the talk about baseline in this thread!

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