I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 57 points 9 months ago (23 children)

The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:

Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.
By closing down with Threads, you'll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.
By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say "hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden."

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

They'll try to dominate the way the protocols evolve. Try to push more and more crap into it because they're too big to ignore. Insert becoming ad, bot, corporate friendlier stuff. Fediverse doesn't need meta. It's nice and cosy and rather friendly here, I'ld like it to stay that way. It's like Google dominates some "open source" and pushes browsers towards more and more DRM friendly etc. We don't need that.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here

And absolutely irrelevant in terms of impact. We have at best a few hundred MAU on a good month. Facebook/Google/TikTok are controlling billions of people.

If we truly believe in the superiority of the Fediverse and that it is possible to have an alternative social media for everyone, we need to go and fight Big Tech. Defederating on the grounds of "I like it the way it is" is coward, selfish and completely lacking ambition.

[–] lazerCovenant@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

we need to go and fight Big Tech.

Fight them by...doing exactly what they want?

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do they want us to let them federate so that their users can use Threads as a stepping stone out of the walled gardens?

[–] lazerCovenant@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why would that happen?

People who used Google Talk didn't use it as a stepping stone to XMPP. They stayed on Google Talk.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 9 months ago

Google was not charging people to talk on their network, and they didn't make it harder to reach someone once they got it. So there was no reason for people to jump out. Facebook, on the other hand...

When the internet was in its infancy, companies and small businesses first established their online presence by getting a aol.com or hotmail.com. Running your own email or website was still expensive and not something easy to do. Today, having "your own" social media and being in control of your brand is almost as easy as having your website and your domain. I am not saying that everyone will jump out of Threads, but if Threads ever gets successful enough to replace Twitter and if we don't shut them out of the Fediverse before it happens, at least there will be an opportunity for small businesses/media orgs/influencers that want to keep reaching their audiences (like they do today on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube/etc) and also want to take control of their own presence.

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