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Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[โ€“] o_o@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Capitalism is defined as a set of rules/regulations that allows people to own the capital that they produce. Regulatory capture is when an organization gains control of the regulations to subvert other people's ability to own their capital. This is why I say that the more regulatory capture that happens, the less capitalist the system.

And yes! Capitalist systems heavily incentivize caring about money and nothing else. But the system also makes it so that when people act purely selfishly for money, that it results in good outcomes for everyone. That's why I think it's a good system.

For example, if organizations price-fix, it heavily encourages a third party to undercut them. If they try to prevent the third party by legal means, then that's not capitalism.

[โ€“] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Just chiming in to say that if organizations price fix, it's pretty rare a 3rd party can sustainably undercut them. The price fixers can agree to drop prices way lower, sell at a loss until the 3rd party is forced to price fix too or go out of business, and then resume the fixed price

[โ€“] o_o@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So the outcome from a customer's perspective is that the price fixers have dropped their prices way lower? That's good, no?

And then once the 3rd party goes out of business and they resume their high price.... they're encouraging a new 3rd party to try again. So the prices lower again.

Meaning there's pressure on prices to be lower, which is what we want. Therefore, good system.

Of course, I'm not saying it's ideal. But is there a better system?

[โ€“] LanyrdSkynrd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For most purchases, people really only have vanishingly few choices of companies to buy from. A truly free market might work, but the profit motives that have corrupted our political, legal and regulatory systems has made most markets into oligopolies. These companies work together to manipulate prices, without ever directly communicating in a way that can be punished.

For a free market to really drive prices down there needs to be real competition. When eggs went up in price, they allegedly did so because of avian flu. But that flu only affected a small amount of the production. Cal-Maine, the largest egg producer in the country, lost no egg production at all. Yet they increased their prices massively. If the market was working as you say it does, Cal-Maine would have kept their prices low to capture more market share. Instead they saw that other producer might have to raise prices and preemptively raised their prices.

[โ€“] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For most purchases, people really only have vanishingly few choices of companies to buy from

Purchases such as...? Because basically all the things I purchase I have pretty solid options for, especially when you consider that a lot of good are interchangeable with each other.

[โ€“] diffaldo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

small number of mega corps owns nearly all brands.

https://i.imgur.com/j6zvm7S.jpeg

This pic is old btw they ve moved on. It doesnt show all the brands they own.

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