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I see that mindset in mega-corps, but at the smallest of scales... one can wash a car or fix a bike and add value to (and thus grow) the system, which logically means it's not closed/finite.
You just showed the system of value goes beyond making new products... But it is still finite, there will be only so many cars to wash (or more accurately, people willing to pay to get their car washed) or bikes that can be fixed.
It can be a big systems but it is finite
I'm sorry, it's difficult for me to follow your logic, but I really appreciate your time in responding. I know at one time there were zero bikes, now there are more than zero, and I suspect more will be created... same with money, so I don't understand how that is finite.
For discussion, perhaps it would be easier to reduce the complexity. In a capitalist system, if I own a fruit tree in an ideal climate then not only can it be duplicated, but either it will produce value by itself, or I will by picking its fruit. AFAICS this added fruit is more value, and the system has grown. Further I can then use this fruit to trade for bike repair or car washings. Is that not right?
Correct but, there cannot always be more bikes... At some point there may not be demand for more, or materials run out or become too expensive... Taken to the extreme, you cannot produce more bikes forever
Again, globally we may produce x billion tons of fruit this year.... Maybe a few million more next year... Can we always produce more fruit (more as in a greater number than last year) forever?