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[-] ionaru@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

Unpopular opinion, brace yourselves.

As a web developer, I would love to root for Firefox but they've made some really odd decisions regarding the implementation of web standards (which are published on the Mozilla MDN site, oddly enough), async/defer script loading order for example. Firefox is also often multiple years late with implementing new tech, being surpassed by Chromium and even Safari most of the time.

While I love the non-profit style of Mozilla and think competition in the browser space is a good thing. The reality is just that their browser lags behind the other two. Firefox is a large part of the reason polyfills are still used in this world of evergreen browsers, and requires multi-browser testing/tweaking even though I exclusively follow the standards written on the MDN website...

[-] adriaan@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

Yeah it lags behind because Chromium is developed by Google, which is the 4th biggest company in the world. And Safari is obviously from Apple which is the largest company in the world. I don't think the fact that Mozilla lags behind should upset anyone. The fact they can compete at all is impressive I think.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Or maybe, just maybe, it lags behind because Mozilla decided that their priorities are ruining the UI and to remove features.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, keep downvoting. 50M (and counting) users lost since 2019 are surely a proof of how well Mozilla roadmap for FF is working.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Please, feel free to engange to show me that I'm wrong.

[-] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's a POV, and it's important to note that in general most users don't care (or even know) what their default browser is. At this point in time there are five "major" operating systems with the following global market shares [0]:

  • Android 35%
  • Windows 30%
  • iOS 17%
  • macOS 9%
  • Linux 1.5%

If we can agree that most users (not being technically literate, interested or inclined) will not change their default browser, we can easily see why Firefox is losing market share. Basically 91% of the world is - by default - using a non Firefox browser. If their current one is working well enough, why should they care to change it? Can we blame Mozilla for losing some users? Yeah, maybe a few. But that's not really the whole picture.

[0] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

Edit: I should point out there's a 6.6% group marked as "unknown" in the OS market share data - I left this out to keep things simple.

[-] cowmouse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The statcounter web page uses data coming from trackers blocked by Firefox ETP, radar.cloudflare.com is more accurate.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, I don't agree. The loss was net, I mean 50M users migrated, the same users that before installed FF over the default browser. Something happened there.

Can we blame Mozilla for losing some users? Yeah, maybe a few. But that’s not really the whole picture.

50M (and counting) was 20% of their user base, not "some users". There's nothing wrong in admitting that Mozilla erratic development model has alienated at least some of "us" (by the way, I've been a FF user for almost 20 years before leaving). And, personally, I'll make whatever I can to make more users leave FF. Fuck Mozilla, really. They're just a cash-grab machine right now.

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