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[–] Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social 9 points 4 months ago (50 children)

@NoiseColor @yogthos

...immediately transition to communism because that would be impossible, or at least strategically impractical. The plan of Marxist-Leninist revolutions was always to create a transitional state that would eventually transition into a stateless classless society once the state was no longer needed.

[–] jeremy_list@hachyderm.io -2 points 4 months ago (19 children)

@Radical_EgoCom @NoiseColor @yogthos immediate transition is not only possible in theory but actually has some precedent (although so far it's only happened in the wrong place and time to last at scale for more than a few years). On the other hand expecting a transitional state to actually continue the transition is even less rational than expecting Jesus to show up and start helping.

[–] Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@jeremy_list @NoiseColor @yogthos

[immediate transition is not only possible in theory but actually has some precedent]

– How is it possible in theory, and what precedent does it have?

[expecting a transitional state to actually continue the transition is even less rational than expecting Jesus to show up and start helping]

Why?

[–] jeremy_list@hachyderm.io -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@Radical_EgoCom @NoiseColor @yogthos Rosa Luxemburg explained all this better than I could and she wasn't even an anarchist (but really take your pick of almost any non-ML communist theorist).
But in summary: implementing communism inherently deprives counterrevolution of the capital it needs to function, so any delay in implementing communism is at best a strategic error and at worst an indication that the org has already become counterrevolutionary.

[–] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

implementing communism inherently deprives counterrevolution of the capital

How do you want to achieve this? Globally at once? Or bit by bit? Can you please Rosas work?

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