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submitted 11 months ago by mintyfrog@lemmy.ml to c/privacyguides@lemmy.one

Are there any (preferably FOSS) RCS/SMS/MMS apps as an alternative to Google Messages? I can't convince anyone to switch to signal and would like to at least use an app that I trust. Eventually I'll be moving to a privacy-respecting mobile OS so I'll need an SMS app to run without Google Play Services, but I don't want to totally miss out on RCS. Are there any alternatives? Is this even possible?

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[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 5 points 11 months ago

No, there is nothing. Google has no API into RCS so it's a closed system, same as iMessage unfortunately

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Well that fucking sucks. We need a standard, especially since iOS and Android can't use any nifty features when talking to each other. Idk why people are so resistant to downloading telegram or signal when they gladly gobbled zuck's balls to get Facebook Messenger, which is like the 3rd worst app ever invented.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 1 points 11 months ago

Europe has historically been charged by the text message, the US not so much. So SMS became dominant in the US primarily because of that, but also because it's the lowest common denominator and everyone supports it, no matter what phone you have.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago

The rest of the world has adopted other cross-platform standards, like WhatsApp in Europe. It's only US users that are stubbornly married to SMS texting, so this is a uniquely American problem.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

WhatsApp is also owned by the Zuck. I'll never install a Meta owned app unless I'm forced to.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

My point wasn't to say WhatsApp is good, my point is that there are a hundred alternatives that are better than SMS.

[-] mintyfrog@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Yes, but also WhatsApp has its own set of privacy issues.

[-] PeachMan@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago

Sure, but my point is that there are plenty of "standards" that already exist. We don't need a new one, we just need to use them.

[-] mintyfrog@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Sorry, I should have been more clear. For my threat model, I'd rather use SMS than WhatsApp

[-] nodiet@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

That's an interesting threat model. What about apps like signal though? Surely they are preferable to SMS?

[-] mintyfrog@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Absolutely, Signal is preferred to SMS. I don't trust Facebook/Meta with running code on my device or keeping my data secure.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

It is not uniquely American, it just isn't a European issue. The U.S.is not the only place that defaults to sms.

[-] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago

Bruh really? People were making it sound like iOS not having RCS support was entirely on Apple not wanting to adopt an open “better SMS” standard. (To be fair, they probably wouldn’t adopt it even if it was open either)

Not sure if this is better or worse lol. But if this is the case I don’t get the appeal of RCS at all.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 2 points 11 months ago

It is an Apple problem.

Don't confuse a client API with a cross platform protocol. They are different beasts and Apple refuses to send or receive RCS messages. That's different than a client trying to send or receive an RCS message.

Apple is vetted as an authorized entity whereas a random client is not.

[-] glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Google Messages (and I think Samsung Messages) is the only app that supports RCS.

[-] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Outside of Google, the RCS APIs are currently only available for pre installed System apps.

[-] lemann@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

I'm interested in knowing too!

Google messages also has some annoying moments where the RCS will just quit working for no reason at all, first falling back from e2ee to standard RCS which is very annoying, and in some cases it will drop even further back to SMS if you haven't prevented it from doing so in the settings.

The messages app feels great to use, but it's privacy attempts aside from the e2ee are just not there IMO

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