That is why I have made this fundraiser to help me cover the electrity and maintenance costs for one year of (self)hosting. I hope you guys can understand how important this is and help me cover those costs by sending any amount of monero to the fundraising address.

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[–] Saki@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can not call yourself a privacy project and rely on githubs good will!

I agree with that statement. It’s strange that some privacy-oriented projects are on Github, letting the user browse and downloading files from there via clearnet, letting Micro$oft track every IP/cookie and all.

That said, when “something bad” happens, it’s probably not as simple as that source code is banned. Like, they did attack Tornado Cash yet they didn’t ban source code (which is after all free speech).

If you’re planning to self-host it only for one year, perhaps you’d be survived by Github anyway. Though again, I do agree with you that Github is not certainly the best place to use.

[–] 4rkal@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

The plan is to host it for as long as I possibly can . The fundraiser is for 1 year of hosting. Will make one every year.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Archive.org can resurrect github projects.

i.e. https://web.archive.org/web/20221115012936/https://codeload.github.com/monero-project/monero/zip/refs/heads/master

This idea has been discussed already in the gitmonero project https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/408#note_22516

Relevant comment...

At the last Monero Community Workgroup meeting, there were some discussions.

The main points are that Git is decentralized, backups are already in place and have been tested, Wownero has a mirror.

The hosting is quite inexpensive, and is very simple to set up. I believe that a CCS is too much for something this small.

I also just began hosting a mirror (and a Gitea server for anyone who wants to use it) over Tor.

[–] 4rkal@monero.town 4 points 1 year ago

It can also function as a way for people from censored countries to access/interact with the source code. As I have said before as a privacy project you cannot afford to keep the code in one vulnerable place (GitHub).

[–] MoneroMarvin@monero.town 4 points 1 year ago

Git is decentralised already

Just clone the monero repos to your PC and update your local copies with a git pull every now and then. With enough people doing so, the monero source will easily survive any hostilities from GH/M$/governments. If something happens, any of these git clones can used to "resurrect" a new main repository at a new host.

I am pretty sure most of the devs already have a local working copy of the repo on their PC.

So to be honest, I don't think your fundraiser is needed... but good luck anyway.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're 100% right.

I still to this day don't know why we don't have a forum and a code hosting service at getmonero.org.

[–] k4r4b3y@mitra.karapara.net 2 points 1 year ago

@mister_monster @4rkal Agreed. Surprising for me, as well. I suppose for the git-stuff, the community is complacent with the fact that github still hasn't tried any shenanigans. Most of the issue tickets are opened there, and most of the code and protocol related discussions use github's infra. There is too much inertia to overcome to make the change from github to a git[dot]getmonero.org, for instance.

Regarding the forum: agreed. However, we still have monero.town that is positioned to become the forum-like discussion medium, which is independent of the reddit.