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From a practical standpoint, the country that hosts many digital services is undergoing rapid political change. For awareness of non-US alternatives, check out:

https://switching.software/

https://european-alternatives.eu/alternatives-to

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Posteo is another alternative for Mail that a lot of people overlook.(And far more "real privacy" than fucking Proton)

Bitwarden sadly still is a US company and while it hosts in EU as well, some might not think this is enough. In that case Vaultwarden can be selfhosted easily.

It is not that much work to actually get rid of most possibly unreliable US services,but it's far more work to get other people to switch as not all services are interoperable yet....

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

Good points. I do believe Bitwarden is open-source though, so it can probably be forked off into a version that doesn't host data in the US.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

They don't do all of what Proton does, but for email Hushmail is run out of Vancouver. The free account is quite limited in terms of space though, but it's free.

[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The irony of this community being hosted on feddit.uk

[–] KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Wait why's it ironic? The UK is in Europe

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 12 hours ago

The person doesn't understand the difference between Europe and European Union.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

So proton is out these days right? Does anyone have thoughts on fastmail?

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 20 hours ago

The only downside is that Tuta doesn't provide an .onion service as Proton does (although they leak clearnet links left and right)... even though they apparently plan to.

[–] jbaber@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago

Fastmail is really, really nice.

[–] zraziel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Proton is still a great product.. easy to switch away from Google, especially if you don't have the time to self host or manage the complexity of 5 different services. I am aware of recent discussion, and have decided for myself that overreacting is not necessary, though that's up to you :)

[–] Eril@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nowadays I half suspect any tech CEO to have some questionable mindset (to say the least). So it seems more important to me, what the company actually does. I hope everyone complaining about Proton now also does not use Google, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, X, Apple products, and the list goes on. Their CEOs are definitely a lot worse.

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Not just that, but frankly for a company like Proton it's prudent to "cry along with the wolves, lest you get killed" ...

As long as Proton's products still stand on their own in the light of the Trump regime I don't think it is useful at all to torch the company because of remarks of its ceo now that Trump is in office...

Ofcourse one can frown and be miffed but there are far worse companies out there that everyone uses, and people shrug off direct comments of anyone on the board of directors.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are an intelligent person, as long as the service is not impacted, well you good

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"Who cares if I helped fund the Nazi party, I got good value out of it!"

I'm not saying Proton are Nazis. I'm not saying the CEO is a Nazi. However, when someone shows you their true colours, believe them. He has a positive view of Trump, a known racist, rapist, and con-man. Just because the product is good doesn't mean it's okay to pay for it when you know that money helps to pay a Trump fan.

This is the worldwide web, there are many alternatives.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Has the CEO explicitly mentioned he supports Nazis ?

I am already ahead of you & do have an alternative & it's called DisRoot Somewhere along the line, you'll have to behave rationally.

[–] thisismyname@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Nazis don't tend to explicitly state their support of Nazis. Even they know it's taboo.

I sometimes fear that people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying, "Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

  • Michael Rosen
[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago
[–] refreeze@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Long time customer and super happy with Fastmail. Its a bit pricy but the service is great.

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah it could be argued that Fastmail is less private than alternatives, but they make a damn good service. Plus email shouldn’t be used for secure communication anyways.

[–] riscwarez@feddit.online 5 points 1 day ago

I joined Fastmail almost a month ago and am really enjoying it, I especially like the integrated masked emails.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I went over to purelymail, but it's in .us

It's not fancy encrypted like proton, but it's very affordable and straight forward to set up for your own domains.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Looking for android app alternatives

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

PeerTube seems fine for a YT alternative (only because it's pretty much either it or Odysee, that's what happens when you have an effective monopoly on user-generated content like YT does, and PeerTube IMO needs to take off sooner rather than later given how ridiculous YT's censorship has gotten lately), and then of course Lemmy (this platform) is looking really good so far as a Reddit alternative and I've only been on it for a day now, ditto for Pixelfed as an Instagram alternative.

And then of course there's Mastodon for a Twitter/Facebook alternative.

Also, Matrix seems fine for a Discord alternative, but moderation is all over the map.

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

Adding to this, pipepipe (for YouTube) on f droid is amazing. Not sure where it's based but they do great work.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Moderation is actually good on Matrix, also XMPP is a good alternative as well

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

https://makertube.net/ is the PeerTube instance that I've been using, and it's been great.

[–] refreeze@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Does anyone have a good recommendation for an S3 provider? I'm looking at Hetzner and OVH.

[–] philpo@feddit.org 2 points 16 hours ago

Hetzner is rock solid in my experience (and I run multiple server with them both for private and business use). I really can't complain.

I have my S3 backups at Ionos these days, they are also fairly large, only marginally more expensive and so far it's working well. Their cloud/VPS service (the proper one,not the consumer one) is also decent and offers a few (rarely needed) options that Hetzner doesn't have.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago

Hetzner support is usually quite good, something I can't say of the (albeit much more limited) experiences with OVH.

[–] Toes@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago

I think OVH would be a good choice.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What services specifically

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you click the fucking link its mostly Google and social media alternatives.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And not to be a Debbie Downer, but most of these alternatives are trash each in their own ways. But it's good to have options.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, didn't even look at the actual alternatives but the guy I replied to was too lazy to even click the link to see which ones were getting replaced so I get to make fun of him :)

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 11 points 1 day ago

Sometimes I think bullying is necessary; tourists who litter should be bullied, and that one dude in the comments who doesn't click links.