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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Don't collect anything on your own and don't sell the things you don't collect. Bam, problem solved.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

promises don't count if you delete them. everyone knows that

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"If I put my wedding ring in my pocket, it's not cheating..."

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago

That clarification is not making me calm

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

so is this them trying to protect its users while adding nuance for the sake of legal protections, or is this them pretending to do that in order to profit off its users?

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

please pay me if you want to sell my data. At the end of the day I am a business and need to cover operating cost.

Is there an open source tool to generate fake user activity data for Firefox to consume?

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Gahhhh this is horrible

I spent some time switching to Librewolf this morning but at the end of the day, it having Firefox as the upstream means it’s all fragile and tenuous anyway

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable)

So in other words we sell your data and get paid for it, and some countries won't let us lie about it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I think it would be very fucking easy to say "we don't sell your data" by any definition... Literally all you need to do is not fucking sell people's data

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[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (39 children)

Oh for fuck's sake! List of Firefox alternatives:

Windows/Linux/MacOS:

Android:

iOS: ??

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[–] Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Son of a bitch I just got back into Firefox.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Mozilla is trying to increase their revenue by doing everything other than improving Firefox

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[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

Which jurisdictions? What kind of broad way? Give one example please. I dare you.

[–] birdiebop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

palemoon is just firefox from the pre quantum days before the webextension enshittification and all they need is a decent mobile app and their own sync

[–] limoncia@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't it more vulnerable since it's based on older version? Correct me if I'm wrong

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is actively developed . They didn’t just kept the old version. They forked it and improving and fixing it.

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[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Several questions:

  1. How are they getting our data?
  2. What is the nature of the data?
  3. Can we do anything in about:config?
[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

How are they getting our data?

By setting up small pieces of code that trigger when you use a given feature, and send a network request to Mozilla's servers with either a single flag set to just show a feature was used, in general, or more additional data with context (e.g. how long the text is that users are putting into their new AI sidebar feature)

What is the nature of the data?

This section of their Privacy Notice explains what categories of telemetry data they collect.

Can we do anything in about:config?

None needed. The normal settings menu has you covered. Go to Settings > Privacy & Security > Firefox Data Collection and Use > Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla

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