Having two different smoothies but lumping together every single alcoholic beverage is certainly a survey design... choice.
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Also two colas but only one non-cola soda. That should've been categories like "lemon-lime soda," "orange soda," "cola," "root beer," etc.
I don't know every type of alcohol so I'll just put them together. I never consumed any alcoholic beverages in my entire life. I don't think I ever could due to my deteriorating health.
Edit : Lmao alcoholics are bringing their pitchforks. Damn ya'll need to chill, this is just a poll.
'any alcoholic beverage' is quite a lumpy category.
A more typical breakdown would be beer/wine/spirits, possibly with a separation between spirits alone vs. cocktails.
IKR? You can have any alcohol but our choices of soda are just coke and orange fanta? π©
and and then a few specific sodas are listed but no generic? seems like it should be cola flavored sodar, citrus flavored soda, other flavored soda or something.
Ranked choice is probably the worst option for a poll like this...
I'm betting if you ran this exact poll under different rules, say multiple choice allowing unlimited selection, you'd get a vastly different answer.
This is because Ranked Choice is a horrible voting system. If First Past the Post wasn't so bad, RCV would have the title of worst system ever created.
Hell, the site you linked even has a "pros and cons" section where they even admit to the massive problems with the system but then hand wave them away.
Ballot exhaustion alone is a showstopper. They pretend that the voter "just didn't choose someone popular enough to win" when the reality is much more insidious. The most common form of ballot exhaustion is when your 2nd or 3rd choice is eliminated in the first round, and then your 1st choice is eliminated in a later round.
And because of how votes are counted, if you had put your 2nd choice in the 1st slot, they could have won the election, even if they were not your literal favorite.
Up to 20% of ballots cast in RCV elections are thrown out due to ballot exhaustion. That's enough votes to massively shift who wins or loses.
The basic truth here is that RCV is good at one thing. Preventing fringe candidates from spoiling an election between two front-runners. It can prevent another Bush v Gore, but that's it.
Also, in real world use, it's fucked up several elections.
Due to the need for centralized counting, the 2021 NYC mayoral race had 130,000 extra votes that turned out to have been test ballots that should never have been in the same location as the actual election ballots.
https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/6/29/22556830/nyc-board-of-election-pulls-preliminary-mayoral-results
Centralize counting and an overly complex system also resulted in the wrong winner being chosen in California. The wrong winner was sworn in and served in the position for a full month before the error was found.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Alameda-County-admits-tallying-error-in-17682520.php
There are vastly better options than RCV.
You can read up on them here. https://www.starvoting.org/
And here, https://electionscience.org/
i appreciate the strong passion and education about the poll on everyone's favorite beverage
So if you were to choose the best system for multi-candidate voting that would work for most real-life elections or multiple-choice rankings, which one would it be?
Absolute best would be STAR.
A good runner-up would be Approval.
Came here to take a silly poll about drinks, came away with some actual interesting reading about better election methods. Thanks man. A shame this will never change in the US but one can dream..
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There's also Single Transferable Vote.
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I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of the STAR Voting method versus the pros and cons of the STV method. Can anyone help fill me in?
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Milk but no βnon-dairy milkβ option?
Non dairy milk is still milk for the purposes of this poll.
(I didn't even know there was such a thing, sorry for my ignorance.)
Out of curiousity, where do you live? Alternative milks (like oat-milk, soy-milk, almond-milk, etc) have become very popular the past few years.
Oh shit I knew I was missing something. How could I forget soy milk lol. It's hard to think with depression...
Edit: USA
Yea I meant plant-based βmilksβ (I know theyβre now called βbeveragesβ but I havenβt come around to it just yet).
Pretty sure it's not actually milk when plant based. Like, there's wheat extract, which tastes pretty much identical to skimmed milk and can be used as a substitute, but (as far as I'm aware) you can't advertise it as milk in the EU.
Which, and I'm sorry, brings me to one of my pet peeves. Don't label plant alternatives as "vegan meat". It's either vegan or meat/diary, not both! What's even the point in making fake meat? To have some chum accidentally buy fake meat, only to find out and become annoyed and resistant towards plant based alternatives?
Make frigging original ideas. Like "wheat chocolate" where people have no preconceptions, instead of "non-milk milk chocolate that totally tastes the same as real milk chocolate, we swear you won't be disappointed!". And then you taste it, and it's just barely off. It doesn't taste bad, but it's not what you expected when you though about milk, so you become disappointed and avoid other really good tasting alternatives which might have stood a chance if not being directly compared to an already established market standard and favorite.
And yes, that chum might just be me, and although I've been presented with some really good tasting alternatives that I've come to love, I still absolutely refuse to buy/try any "Vegan meats/diaries".
Would much rather just have some ratatouille, grilled mushroom, or wheat chocolate instead.
Rant over.
Almond milk has quite a long history of being called as such: https://historydollop.com/2016/11/09/almond-milk-the-medieval-way/
Thank you for pointing that out. Yet, in a world where refrigerators are commonplace, and where the grip of the church has lessened, the term "milk" has come to be almost exclusively used for diary. So much in fact, that many find it misleading to use it to describe non-diary products.
Milk is one of the many words which have changed their definition over the past millenia, albeit, not as drastically as many other words. And we might come to a point where no one uses diary milk, or where milk once again also covers almonds, but this is not yet it, at least not in the EU. And to use it to cover both anyway, will likely push a lot of people away from more plant based alternatives.
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Im a fan of energy drinks. I think you should have categorised the soft drinks into one category. There's a lot more to be included.
For being so specific, is missing a lot of options. MtDew, rockstar/monster/red bull, squirt/fresca, etc.
I think it should be more generalized, like orange soda, cola, etc, or just sodas, energy drinks, etc.
Sweet tea!
If it wasn't specific sodas and instead generics like cola vs root beer vs fruity flavored, I would have voted for a soda over an alcoholic beverage.
You forgot about soda water
Yep give me any flavored sparkly water and that would be mine
No horchata? :(
Que rico!
Milk, milk tea, and 2 different smoothies, but no milkshakes? Bah!
I enjoy a good old fashioned chocolate malt.
It's too hard to compare water, flavored drinks, and smoothies. Those are all different things
Huh, that is interesting
No lemonade?
Ahh forgot... π€·ββοΈ
No Schweppes? For shame.
Also, cheers to my milk tea brethren.
Lemmynade
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Just voted! Looks like water and coffee are going strong so far, which I also ended up voting for on top too. Lots of super sugary stuff, honestly having an herbal tea, coffee, or sparkling water I feel much better after vs a soda or juice.
I WILL be a caffeine addicted green tea purist and drink nothing else
my favorite drinks are
coffee -> kratom -> kava -> water -> tea
If I can't choose water, then probably Soda.
What do you mean you can't choose water? Water is listed as an option.
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