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Why does Molly tend to always run as a background service when Signal didn't? Doesn't seem to use much more battery so I guess it's no biggy, just curious

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/6601917

Edit Message

Now you can edit a message even after it has been sent! Fix a tpyo, include the missing ingredient in grandma's chocolate chip cookie recipe, or add the punchline to a joke if you hit the send button too quickly. The choice is yours.

Messages will always show when they have been edited, and you can tap on the "Edited" indicator to see the full edit history for any edited messages.

Update the past in the present to prevent future confusion today!

Got this today on Signal beta. Editing is one feature I really wanted in Signal.

Anyone else got it?

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Why is it that so many companies that rely on monetizing the data of their users seem to be extremely hot on AI? If you ask Signal president Meredith Whittaker (and I did), she’ll tell you it’s simply because “AI is a surveillance technology.”

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I don’t know if it’s related to updating to iOS 17 but I no longer receive notifications for texts or calls. The sender also claims that their messages to me only have one check mark and are only received when I open the app. Does anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it?

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'Today we are happy to announce the first step in advancing quantum resistance for the Signal Protocol: an upgrade to the X3DH specification which we are calling PQXDH. With this upgrade, we are adding a layer of protection against the threat of a quantum computer being built in the future that is powerful enough to break current encryption standards.'

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Will Signal ever support this? If not, is there a recommended alternative that is equally secure and does?

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by mulcahey@lemmy.world to c/signal@lemmy.ml
 
 

I love Signal. But despite my best efforts, I still have friends using WA and iMessage. Managing multiple apps is kinda a pain. Beeper offers a convenient way to combine them into one interface, and it claims to re-encrypt the content. Does anyone know anything about this claim?

From their website:

Messages sent using Beeper to other chat networks are re-encrypted if the other network supports encryption (like Signal, WhatsApp and iMessage).

So..Safe? Or no?

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... do you know any other bot app that can do auto replies and is open source?

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I have one Android and one iPhone for fun and like to switch back and forth.

Due to this I largely prefer Telegram as Signal can't be simultaneously logged in on both. Is this feature likely in the works or is there something that inherently makes it difficult/impossible?

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One feature of apps such as iMessage and WhatsApp is that your texts or voice calls are scrambled and private from everyone.

With end-to-end encrypted technology, no one but you and the intended recipients can know what you wrote or said — not hackers, the app companies or the police.

Except, not everything is end-to-end encrypted in end-to-end encrypted apps.

That could mean what you type in chats are saved on company computers that corporations such as Apple or your phone provider could read. Details such as the timestamps of every text to your boyfriend might not be under lock and key, either.

That’s not necessarily bad. Each end-to-end encryption choice has trade-offs. More privacy and security could also make it harder for you to use an app, or can shield activity of terrorists and child predators.

The mess I’m describing — end-to-end encryption but with certain exceptions — may be a healthy balance of your privacy and our safety.

The problem is it’s confusing to know what is encrypted and secret in communications apps, what is not and why it might matter to you.

To illuminate the nuances, I broke down five questions about end-to-end encryption for five communications apps.

Is the content of every message automatically end-to-end encrypted?

  • WhatsApp: Yes

  • Apple’s Messages: No

  • Messages by Google: No

  • Meta Messenger: No

  • Signal: Yes

The biggest encryption caveat is for the built-in texting apps on iPhones and most Android phones in the United States. Those are Apple’s Messages app, also known as iMessage, and the Messages by Google app.

If you use Apple’s app, texts that you send and receive are only end-to-end encrypted if everyone else in the chat is using that app.

If the text you see is in blue, the contents of messages are end-to-end encrypted for everyone in the chat.

Even if Apple wanted to read your texts, it doesn’t have a key to unscramble those messages. (There’s a caveat in the next section about backup copies.)

But the dreaded green bubbles are Apple’s warning. If you’re in a group chat with three people using Apple’s chat app and one person on an Android phone, no one’s texts are end-to-end encrypted.

Each of your mobile phone providers might save every word of your communications. Those companies could, in theory, read your messages, lose them to thieves or hand them over to police with valid legal orders.

Google’s chat app has the same encryption loophole. (For most people in the United States, Messages by Google is the standard texting app on Android phones.)

Your texts in Google’s chat app are only end-to-end encrypted if everyone else is using that app.

Google shows if your texts are end-to-end encrypted with signs such as a lock icon under texts and another on the send button.

Are backup copies of your messages automatically encrypted, with no option for the app company to unscramble them?

  • WhatsApp: Yes

  • Apple’s Messages: No

  • Messages by Google: Yes*

  • Meta Messenger: No

  • Signal: Yes

WhatsApp and Signal don’t let you save copies of your texts or call logs to the app makers’ computers.

That means they don’t have saved message copies in a cloud that crooks could break into.

But if you buy a new phone and forget your password, WhatsApp and Signal can’t really help you transfer all your old texts.

If you back up copies from Apple’s chat app and Meta Messenger, the companies have the keys to unscramble what’s written in encrypted chat copies. Again, these unscrambled text copies can help in criminal investigations or they could be stolen or misused.

Apple recently introduced a choice to fully end-to-end encrypt backup copies of iCloud accounts, which means not even Apple could unlock your scrambled backup texts.

If you pick that option, Apple can’t help recover your chats if you forget your account password.

This risk is why Apple makes this feature a pain to turn on, and requires you to list a plan B if you forget your password, such as a personal contact who knows your decryption code.

WhatsApp has an option to save backup copies of your messages to Apple’s or Google’s cloud. WhatsApp doesn’t save those backups.

For Messages by Google, the company says chats backed up to the company’s computers are automatically encrypted – as long as your Android phone has a screen that you need to unlock with a password or another method.

Google gets an asterisk because it says it cannot unscramble your backup texts in its cloud. But it can for attachments like photos.

Meta Messenger has been testing an option for people to turn on fully end-to-end encrypted backups.

Does the app save your account details in a way it can access?

  • WhatsApp: Yes

  • Apple’s Messages: Yes

  • Messages by Google: Yes

  • Meta Messenger: Yes

  • Signal: Yes*

Most end-to-end encrypted apps save some “metadata,” or details about you or what you do with the app. They can retrieve the metadata if necessary.

The app companies aren’t necessarily specific about which metadata they save and can unlock. This information can make you less private– and it can help in criminal prosecutions.

WhatsApp, for example, may have your general physical location when you use the app and the names of your group chats. Under legal orders, WhatsApp has the ability to log the phone numbers your number communicates with.

WhatsApp says these details can help identify spammers and aid in investigations of potential criminal activity including people who share images of child sexual abuse.

Signal is a yes with an asterisk because it doesn’t save much the app can retrieve – just a phone number used to set up an account and the last time the account connected to Signal.

Are disappearing messages an option?

  • WhatsApp: Yes

  • Apple’s Messages: No

  • Messages by Google: No

  • Meta Messenger: Yes

  • Signal: Yes

Even with end-to-end encrypted texts, someone on the receiving end could leak them or turn them into the police.

For extra privacy, WhatsApp, Meta Messenger, and Signal have an option to set texts to automatically delete in as little as 24 hours from the phones of everyone in a chat.

This isn’t ironclad, either. Someone could take a photo of your messages before they disappear.

Does the app use the Signal protocol?

  • WhatsApp: Yes

  • Apple’s Messages: No

  • Messages by Google: Yes

  • Meta Messenger: Yes

  • Signal: Yes

The Signal protocol is considered a gold standard. No one yet has found holes in the end-to-end encryption technology.

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This may sound a bit dumb, but eh.

So when that WhatsApp privacy policy change thing happened in early 2021, I tried switching from WhatsApp to Signal and Telegram. Telegram kinda stuck with me since i still get news from there, but Signal... not really because I didn't care about privacy back then. Now, I want to make the switch from WhatsApp to Signal, and I have a few plans on how to do that. But, is it worth it, since most people in Türkiye use Whatsapp and even if I switch my family and friends over to Signal, they'll still use WhatsApp since most people are on there.

So, yeah. Should i try, or is it not worth doing? Let me know, also, thanks in advance!

(Note: Most of my family and friends don't really care about privacy.)

(Note 2: This was also posted in c/privacy@lemmy.ml, c/privacy@lemmy.world communities, the m/signal@kbin.social magazine and r/signal and r/privacy subreddits.)

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Good evening,

I'd like my group of high school friends to use Signal to chat, but one of them uses a push-button phone on a daily basis. Nevertheless, she has a computer at home, and with this computer she previously communicated in the Instagram group. Hence my question: since she has a push-button phone capable of receiving SMS, can she use Signal with the desktop application for PC ? Thanks a lot! :)

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To be clear: I am avidly pro-Signal. I think this piece makes interesting arguments. Would love to hear what the community thinks

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As the title states, it seems with the latest update, image/gif insertion is no longer working. Can others confirm this behavior?

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Signal went on the record saying that usernames would go live in the first half of 2023. Obviously that didn’t happen. Now we hear that they should be released this year.

What do you think? Are we actually gonna see usernames this year?

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Not sure if any of you have encountered the same resistance to using Signal. Some of my cousins refused to use Signal because they are already using "too many chat apps" (e.g. WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, WeChat, Telegram, Line, Snapchat, etc.). To them, Signal will just be another chat app among their numerous other chat apps. I understand that jumping between so many messaging apps imposes some kind of cognitive and maintenance burden. What are some ways to convince such people to use Signal?

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How does it work that I send 11 high quality photos to one person and it takes 5 minutes to send because I have a weak cell signal, but when I forward that message to another user it's nearly instantaneous?

I thought no messages were saved on the server, so how can it be so fast to forward them? Doesn't it have to upload the photos all over again?

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