You will, however, be politically impotent in that case. Checking out of democracy because one option is only incrementally better than the other isn't really helping anyone.

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago

Democracy is when you have the choice between genocider and slightly less evil genocider

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean by "checking out of democracy?"

As for Kamala being less evil, this is true, yes. However, what's the plan, long-term? Just keep voting for increasingly right-wing ghouls, as long as they aren't as bad as the GOP, until the GOP inevitably wins again?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you want democrats to be a certain way, vote for those democrats in primaries and local elections. You have to fix it from the bottom up and from within.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is historically inaccurate, though. You can't fix the party from within, because the DNC will always serve its donors. Voting for slightly more progressive democrats won't actually change that fact.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Then I’d say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government

lol this mf literally just said "if you don't like it here, then just leave". Where have I heard that before...

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The system is what it is. Third party is moot. That's it. Motherfuckers pretending shit can change just because you really really want it to.

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The system is what it is.

Stop looking inside the system for solutions to fix it.

Motherfuckers pretending shit can change just because you really really want it to.

Liberal doomerism is something else, huh.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure as hell not down for revolution and violence, no.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Too bad, that's where the GOP and DNC are sending us anyways, might as well get organized before it hits and be ready.

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's going to be a whole lot more violence and suffering assuming we keep doing what we're currently doing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then I'd say your options are relocate to somewhere with a more appealing government or cede electoral power to others. Third parties are irrelevant on the national scale, and only slightly less so on the state scale.

The Left has no electoral power in a system dominated by financial interests. The DNC does not represent the Left.

Agitate for RCV or other election reforms that make third parties more relevant, but until that's the case I'll stand by my earlier assertions.

Why would the DNC or GOP weaken their own standing?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly. I agree 100%. The system is what it is and it will only change over the course of lifetimes, not years. Unless your solution is violent revolution in which case I'd still say to also cast meaningful votes based on some criteria of your choosing. I guess you could vote Republican on the hopes a fascist America would more quickly be overthrown internally or externally. That sounds like a terrible timeline to live through, though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The system is what it is and it will only change over the course of lifetimes, not years.

Capitalism likely will not last that long. The US is losing its Hegemony and the Global South is increasingly acting in their own interests.

Unless your solution is violent revolution in which case I'd still say to still also cast meaningful votes based on some criteria of your choosing.

Revolution will likely eventually occur, it's not something I can just force into happening. Who I vote for will not materially change that course. I do plan on voting, but even if I vote for PSL it won't materially move the Revolution up the schedule.

I guess you could vote Republican on the hopes a fascist America would more quickly be overthrown internally or externally. That sounds like a terrible timeline to live through, though.

Accelerationism is dangerous thinking that quickly backfires. Organizing is still by far the most important duty of Leftists.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It must be frustrating to see the course America is on, know what it would take to alter it, but be powerless to stop it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

It's actually comforting, and there's much to be done to prepare. Organizing and building dual power is still necessary for American Leftists, such is our duty in dying Empire.