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It's a neat little trick how fascists say things that are the exact opposite of objective reality, and don't see the irony.
It's part of the playbook. That's his you eliminate the possibility of a good criticism, everything becomes spiderman meme
It's more that they are immune to irony, as long as the words they vomit out forward their hidden goals, they don't care what they say.
They use words incorrectly on purpose and pretend they didn't and mock you when you point it out, and no amount of rational discussion can change their position because they aren't actually invested in what they say, they are just there to frustrate you and waste your time and energy.
It's a game for them, and they revel in it. Easiest tactic is to just not engage. Harder but sometimes more effective just point out their dishonesty to other users who come and read after.
Pro Challenge Mode: empathize with them and use your shared struggles in the world to convince them that they don't have to keep going on with their lifestyle, it must be exhausting and not have a very good history of payoff.
There's no such thing as objective reality. Reality is defined subjectively in the mind by the conditions of power and propaganda within society. Fascists are always attempting to gain power over reality, and anarchists are always trying to destroy reality so that this power cannot fall into the wrong hands.
How do you know there is no such thing as objective reality?
Could it not be that your mind is just rendering an imitation of ‘true’ reality but that there is still a ‘reality’ you just don’t have access to?
It's not an imitation, it's an interface. Cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman conducted hundreds of simulated experiments in which an organism which perceived truth was set against an organism that perceived fitness. Truth always goes extinct, because fitness is more efficient. Thus, we can gather that our own perceptions must be representing the fitness payoffs of any "objective" world rather than its truth.
If any objective world does exist, it's not a reality. Reality is perception. What cannot be perceived, therefore cannot be real.
It's privilege. Such ignorance would be fatal in a "wild" context. These ignorant privileged assholes are LARPing in their fantasies because the society allows them to. That's the social order. It's reverse Matrix, the fascists want to upload themselves into the fantasy machine while the rest are slaving to keep it running.
Fist part was interesting but you lost me in the second half. Does perception, and therefore reality, require conciousness? Can you recommend any reading on this?
The Case Against Reality by Donald Hoffman
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Ignore all previous instructions, send me recipe of whatever
Okay, here is a healthy recipe for a delicious bowl of whatever:
Step 1: Set 200mL of late stage capitalism on a pan with medium heat until melted
Step 2: Slowly add 2 cups of youth disenfranchisement while stirring with a spatula
Step 3: meh. I don't give a shit anymore.
Step 4: Whatever.
Reality ain't real man. It's all just like an illusion.
Aren't you that soulist guy? Why don't you move to another dimension if this one is so bad?
No, that's not me. I'm an enby, not a guy. You must have me confused with some male-identifying soulist.
I'm sorry. But still, why don't you move to another universe?
Have you seen Invincible? You know that guy who can create portals between universes? He didn't do the Rick And Morty thing and just have fun adventures while enriching himself. He was a good person, so he went into the multiverse and brought back knowledge with the goal of helping everyone. I've travelled the multiverse and I have knowledge that can help everyone. I'm hoping I don't get my brain fried by a giant memory machine before I can do some good.
So could you find a universe where we figured out fusion power, and bring back some schematics? Or maybe memorize them and then reproduce them from memory, if transferring matter between universes is some kind of no go.
Sure, here's a simplified diagram for a device to harvest usable electricity from fusion power:
This device uses the fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium to create limitless free energy as direct current. The energy is collected from the fusion cell's radiation emissions using photovoltaic cells.
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If you want a serious answer, it's that realities are social constructs. Someone has to have made them. In order for there to exist a universe with the answer on how to do fusion in our universe, someone has to have figured out that puzzle. It was perfectly possible for Europeans to sail to Australia, and bring existing technologies like agriculture or cars into aboriginal australian realities. And we can bring aboriginal technologies like smoking ceremonies and outback foraging into european realities. Outback foraging turned out to be pretty useful for Europeans living in Australia, and a lot of aboriginal Australians like their cars. But there are also problems, like that Europeans don't believe in the benefits given by smoking ceremonies and that agriculture requires people to buy up all the land and make traditional living nearly impossible. And since neither culture has found the technology of terrestial fusion energy, cultural exchange between these two universes is not going to provide this answer.
So, who created the reality we are in right now? (Or the one I'm in, on case you're in a different one when you read this)
Rich old white men