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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Personally I prefer to refer to the broader term "toxic gender roles" as it covers a wider range of interdependent behaviors. I also think it goes deeper than just submissive femininity. It's the old nature vs nurture argument. It's not all societal. Some of it is biological. Larger, more physically imposing-looking men being preferred by the majority of women cuts across all times and cultures.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't buy this nature thing. All societies have been exposed to violence, and women make babies. Then the same causes will lead to the same consequences.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So it's hopeless and cannot be changed then?

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's the opposite. Because it's not nature but culture, it can be changed.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Women making babies is culture? And as far as violence being culture, that has never been eliminated from any society and I don't see it happening any time soon.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You should certainly try to understand this in a different way, because you obviously misunderstood this badly.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I understand it. I thought my sarcasm would be clear. I think it is absurd to say that nature plays no part in human sexual attraction in spite of it affecting literally every other sexually reproductive animal on the planet.