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With these new rules, FIDE has managed to

  1. Imply the mental inferiority of women
  2. Validate the existence of transgender men
  3. Destroy the integrity of awards record-keeping
  4. Call transgender women men

Very nice, FIDE, incredible mental gymnastics performance! ๐Ÿ‘ Add them to the ever lengthening sports federation shitlist.

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[โ€“] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I really wish posts like this included more interesting discussion, instead of 90 % of people just white knighting how shocked they are and how awful this is!

Yea we get it after the first comment, you don't need to post the same shit over and over.

My personal genuine question is to women, how they feel about transgender women in their sports? For physical sports I'd imagine it matters even more.

Chess is just a brain game so it really shouldn't matter at all, but I'd still love to womens opinion on the subject.

[โ€“] Urbanfox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Woman here, and genuinely, I don't know what's right.

I can recognise that m>f after puberty gives someone a strength advantage but at the same time it's hard enough having to transition without feeling even more marginalised by being banned from sports.

Maybe there needs to be just a women's and open category to recognise the strength handicap that cis women have for certain activities and allow anyone to compete in open, but then there's the challenge of prize money, viewers etc etc between the two that also needs to be managed appropriately.

At the end of the day, someone isn't going to be happy and for that there is no good solution, but we need to be doing our best for cis and trans athletes to make sure everyone has a chance to compete in the sports they live.

Chess? Banning trans competitors is fucking idiotic and the chess federation can fuck right off with that implied notion of women being less capable.

[โ€“] MindlessZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Maybe there needs to be just a women's and open category to recognise the strength handicap that cis women have for certain activities and allow anyone to compete in open, but then there's the challenge of prize money, viewers etc etc between the two that also needs to be managed appropriately.

I'm fairly certain that this is already the case, and what's being done here as well. Specifically that there isn't a "men's" category, there's open, and there's women's. In chess specifically it's a strange situation. My understanding is that the existence of "women's chess" isn't due to any inferiority of play (though there's undoubtedly some sexism in its origin) but rather as a way to entice women to play and grow the sport. There's no restrictions on a woman being granted the grandmaster title, but a man can't hold a Women's Grandmaster title.

Not keeping your women specific titles as a trans man at least tracks for that. As to not being able to compete as a trans woman I don't really see the point. I could see an argument for resetting your ELO because there is a lower ELO pool in women's chess (due to population, nothing enforced) and your ELO could be unduly skewed, but idk. That's kinda getting beyond my competitive chess knowledge

Tldr; this is probably dumb and misguided, but maybe not as hostile as the headline first looked to me

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