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[-] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 43 points 10 months ago

I'm going to copy and paste my comment from another post here:

If this is true this is bad. Like, really bad

I say "if" just because I don't really know what the facts are, I just know what some people are claiming

To be clear, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that, at the moment, it's just Madison saying these things did happen and Linus essentially saying they didn't

My question is if she had such a bad experience, why hasn't anyone else said anything, or at least put an anonymous negative review on Glassdoor or something? Did she just have a awful experience that was unusual, or is everyone/a large number of people treated like this? I don't think it's the second or it would've come out already and from more than one source (and the turnover is pretty low for LMG if I'm not mistaken, so that also doesn't make sense), but I don't really know. That's really the crux of the situation, is I just don't know. I'm glad they got an outside investigator though; hopefully that'll clear everything up

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This reads like every rape apologist asking why the person didn't react like your idea of an "ideal victim".

To be clear I'm NOT saying that you would ever help create a permissive environment that passively encourages the type of behaviors described in her post, my question is just why you'd feel compelled to write 750 words of "I'm just asking" around your structural dismissal?

Wouldn't you realize that you're parroting a rhetorical style that has been used to justify and paper over mistreatment of women in business and personal settings? If this were a good faith statement why would it repeat every trope trotted out by Joe Tacopina?

I just don't know, I'm not saying I do or do not think that OP's statement is an example of unwitting enrollment in institutional sexism, or whether I do or do not think it's trolling.

I just don't know.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

I don't think OP has any reason to side with Linus here, I think the thrust is just that there's only two pieces of evidence here, and both from people with opposite motives.

I'm more likely to believe Madison here, but I think there's a good chance she's overreacting too. It seems she was treated poorly, and that makes it easier to justify exaggeration.

I'm not particularly hopeful that an external investigation will really help here (after all, they're likely being paid by LMG), so I'm hopeful that some current or previous employees can corroborate at least some of the claims.

So I guess I'm kind of siding with the OP here, I'm going to reserve judgement until I have more evidence. If I had to pick today, I'd probably side with Madison because her motives to lie are weaker.

[-] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Even if the external investigators are good and it is truly the intention of upper management to get to the bottom of it and they are fully prepared to fire anyone who did something wrong, (I'm not casting doubt on their motives) I truly believe that the external investigation will clear them or they'll point to 1 person and fire them.

Reason being is memories fade, fear of reprisals, people make excuses or believe certain things weren't as they were, and there is likely not a lot written down.

Unfortunately, it's likely to be a he said/she said situation.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

True. However, I can hope that, as a small-ish SM company, they'll care enough to be more transparent than that.

$100M sounds like a lot for a company, but that's still pretty small potatoes when it comes to companies. Some bad press could see a lot of viewers leave and the company could go under (or drastically scale back) very quickly. That's just the nature of SM.

I think you're probably right, but I'm optimistic that LMG will do more than most larger corporations do. I'm not expecting it though, just hopeful.

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