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So I've been in the rabbit hole of android privacy for some time, last I joined the GrapheneOS community but let's just say that they doesn't have a "healthy" opinion about other projects like f-droid.

So I am looking for generic communities that focus on mobile privacy that doesn't have drama or toxicity or "extreme opinions". Any suggestions? I prefer chat based communities like matrix or simplex instead of like reddit or lemmy.

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (23 children)

What does a healthy opinion of F-Droid look like though? Lol

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Fdroid is introducing another trusted party to your supply chain, which should be a factor in anyone's threat molding.

https://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/ However, with reproducible builds now a package is built and signed by both fdroid and the original developer, so you get a net security benefit of having a third party attesting they can independently reproduce the binary from source. Problem solved right? Well, yes but mostly no. Most projects and packages don't have reproducible builds, so if your using fdroid for most packages your still trusting droid.

I think a lot of the online hate comes from people making assumptions that their use case and threat model applies to everyone. That's why I prefer discourse where we just talk about the attributes and not "you should"

[–] lord___vader@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I completely understand, but this only adversely affects you if f-droid getting hacked is in your threat model. And not everyone have that.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah exactly. So pointing that out is sufficient, and it's up to every user to decide if the benefit is worth the risk. And I'm sure for most people fdroid is a net positive.

Now, I want to change gears, and talk about annoying personalities also being really beneficial. Crazy principled people drive change in the world. The open BSD founder, RMS, the graphene founder, these are crazy unreasonable uncompromising people which are difficult to get along, but they drive change. Sometimes we need those uncompromising people. I think putting up with them is the cost of a vibrant ecosystem.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I disagree.

If you're an asshole, people don't want to work with you, and will actively avoid you.

I'm the IT guru in my family and extended circle. Of the probably 100+ people I advise, none will ever use Graphene now.

They alienate people with their hubris and condescension. Rather than help people understand their perspective, they act like it's "the only answer".

That's never a solution. Discussing pros and cons of different approaches moves us forward, not the Graphene "us VS them" mentality.

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