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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What's the difference? Genuine question. I frequently see standard male behavior touted as "toxic masculinity" on this platform, so I'm not really sure what you consider manly, but not macho.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Toxic masculinity is generally founded on the idea that the world owes you something because you're a man. Positive masculinity is a rejection on that. It's using your strength and intelligence to contribute to yourself, your family, your community, and the world. Knowing when to give and when to take.

Tim Walz is a good example of positive masculinity. He's manly af. A soldier, a football coach, a hunter, a leader, a father, a husband. He's used those roles to improve himself and the world around him, he fights against those who hurt him, his family, and community. I'm not arguing he's perfect or the only example. Being perfect isn't part of positive masculinity, but he's a recent example that has gotten a lot of attention.

[–] gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Genuine question. What is standard male behavior?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Some examples could include competitiveness with other males, being less risk averse than females, and being more analytical than emotional,

[–] gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And what exactly out of those things is considered to be toxic in general or is it more that the extreme forms of those things are considered to be toxic?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You asked for examples of standard male behaviors, not toxic male behaviors.

Edit: oh, you're asking which of those, people here would consider toxic? Pick one! Put a negative spin on it, and you can probably find that sentiment pretty easily around these parts.

[–] gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean by negative spin? You don't think that for example extreme competitiveness can be negative - or what is the point you are trying to make.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say extreme competitiveness. That's a decent example though. A man will display ordinary competitiveness, and someone will go "oh, that extreme competitiveness is so toxic!", when there was nothing extreme about the behavior to begin with.

[–] gap_betweenus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You have examples?