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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

NATO didn't press eastwards. It welcomed countries that wanted to join because they felt threatened. And it is obvious now that they were right to be scared. Russia demands a sphere of influence. But this is unacceptable for its neighbors. Russia is a colonial empire that can only think in these terms. That's why they believe that these countries that want to join NATO don't have a will of their own and are US puppets. Which makes them fair game. This is not only wrong but also inhumane. It takes away the people's dignity and their right for peace.

NATO was formed to be anti-Russia, and has continued to expand eastward against formalized warnings from Russia. NATO itself said that the cause of war was Putin's fear of Ukraine also joining NATO. Was NATO lying?

And for the love of God. Don't forget the war crimes committed by Russian soldiers on a systematic and large scale. Mass executions, torture, rape, etc. Those weren't isolated incidents, they were part of the plan. And Putin himself handed out medals for the commanders of the most notorious units.

Russia is in many ways an evil bourgeois dictatorship, but you seem to be brushing Ukranian shelling of pro-Russian territories within Ukraine, and Ukranian warcrimes including mass executions, torture, and rape as well. Russia is not absolved of their crimes, and neither is Ukraine.

With respect to the Russians. Given the Ukrainian wins, they are clearly doing a better job than the Russians.

Given that Ukraine is losing, they are clearly better than the Russians. What?

I asked in what manner is the Ukranian military better, materially. Is it vibes?

I'm saying they won't accept a deal in which Ukraine becomes demilitarized and at Russia's mercy. And that's the only deal the Russians are offering right now. Even if they lose the resources to launch offensives, they will dig in and defend as long as they can. And this might go on not for years, but decades.

What choice will they have? They are continuing to lose capable fighters and resources.

Again, the only deal Russia is willing to give Ukraine at the moment is equal to unconditional surrender. That's not a peace deal. It's a farce.

Again, does Ukraine have any choice in the future? Where is the path to victory? Seems like you just want to send Ukranians to their deaths.

That remains to be seen. It's also taking away from Russia's ability to attack in those other regions. Also, this attack shows that Russia has been concentrating its troops on the active front (probably because they felt safe because of western weapon restrictions). Russia was enjoying an asymmetrical advantage. Ukraine took that away.

So as Russia continues to advance and Kursk falls back to Russian hands, you'll applaud this grand show of virtue signaling?